The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts

[WinterHold]

Because we ourselves must take the choice. We must pick the decision; pick the right answer.
It's a test, and tests can't have a sheet of answers:

Oh right. So we're being experimented on. Allah is a dick, again. People who are lucky enough to be born into the right religion are indeed given the answer sheet, aren't they? That makes it, at the very least, a hugely unfair test.

How am I meant to pick the right book to tell me how to be moral if my standard of morality is meant to be the book I pick? In that regard, every answer is right, isn't it?

It's a bit like when Adam ate the snake, before Eve had told him he shouldn't do that.

I think that the person must begin to look for a creator because life directs us to have that thought; no matter what situation we were born into (rich, poor, healthy, sick...etc).

People born in a religious environment are not necessarily saved. That sick idea is a Christian invention that the Quran never says; instead verses like these exist:

Sura 5, The Quran:
( 18 )   But the Jews and the Christians say, "We are the children of Allah and His beloved." Say, "Then why does He punish you for your sins?" Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them, and to Him is the [final] destination.

I don't believe in salvation due to belief. Nobody is safe, and those born into the right faith can very well end up with a failure and go hell.

After all; we are promised to bow in hell -all of us-:

Sura 19, The Quran:
( 68 )   So by your Lord, We will surely gather them and the devils; then We will bring them to be present around Hell upon their knees.
( 69 )   Then We will surely extract from every sect those of them who were worst against the Most Merciful in insolence.
( 70 )   Then, surely it is We who are most knowing of those most worthy of burning therein.
( 71 )   And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.
( 72 )   Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.

So nobody is pure.
The religious institution -with its Jewish, Christian and Sunn/Shiite Islamic flavor- does not like to say this. "Manufacturing the self righteous culture" and "nailing it to the hearts of the Church/Mosque 's followers", is a must for the institution to prosper and live on.

The test is equal to all. The pain and the spoils must direct the person's eyes to the skies.

[robvalue]

So... the test is to look for a creator? And if we pass he "saves" us from himself by not torturing us? Everything about this character is extremely sick.

This is yet another idea of what the test criteria are, which isn't even agreed upon by your religion, and requires somehow picking the correct book out first and correctly interpreting it in order to find this out. So those born into other religions and/or taught wrong interpretations are at a massive disadvantage.

I've looked into the skies plenty. I've considered all the evidence and arguments, and come to what I consider to be reasonable conclusions. Am I going to be tortured because I have the "wrong" conclusion? What is the matter with this maniac God character? I wouldn't want to have anything to do with it, even if it was real.

[CapnAwesome]

This is the interpretation of Verse 65:4 by the contemporary of prophet Muhammad & his cousin Ibn Abbas;

(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months. Another man asked: “what is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?” (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well.
* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs (Quran  65 4)

Some say that Muhammad married young Aisha for solely political purposes but he seems to have a taste for it too...

Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:
When I got married, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'
Reference           : Sahih al-Bukhari 5080 Book of Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah)
In-book reference           : Book 67, Hadith 18
USC-MSA web (English) referenc : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 17

As for the age of Aisha when Muhammad married her, Sunnis attest her to be around 6/7 years old. The Shias on the other hand believe she was around 17 years old. The Sunnis call Aisha the Mother of the believers & the Shias call her a whore.

I'm not discussing Sunni Islam. Neither am I discussing Shiite Islam.
I'm discussing the Quran. In other words; the Hadith and the sayings of Sunnies and Shiites are not my topic.

If the Qur'an forbade pedophilia, it would just say "oh yeah, no kid-fucking"

What it wouldn't say is a line about marriage contracts, which were all made by the parents at the time.

[WinterHold]

So... the test is to look for a creator? And if we pass he "saves" us from himself by not torturing us? Everything about this character is extremely sick.

This is yet another idea of what the test criteria are, which isn't even agreed upon by your religion, and requires somehow picking the correct book out first and correctly interpreting it in order to find this out. So those born into other religions and/or taught wrong interpretations are at a massive disadvantage.

I've looked into the skies plenty. I've considered all the evidence and arguments, and come to what I consider to be reasonable conclusions. Am I going to be tortured because I have the "wrong" conclusion? What is the matter with this maniac God character? I wouldn't want to have anything to do with it, even if it was real.

The test is not just "to look for a creator", but it is "to believe in the real creator". The answer to the morality debate is exactly this: a choice between God's commands and Satan's commands.

I'm not responsible for peoples' logic and how it works. Being "born" into the faith changes nothing; you have to think it allover again, and decide for yourself. It's very hard to change a faith you were born into; see how Sunnies and Shiites are clashing for centuries without a decisive change.

Keep looking I would say; my duty is to keep myself holding to this faith, lots of people stressed on the contradictions and sad facts of life; some others pointed out the science behind lots of things, as time goes, a design is unfolding. Your eyes must see it. Keep looking and keep your heart good.

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I'm not discussing Sunni Islam. Neither am I discussing Shiite Islam.
I'm discussing the Quran. In other words; the Hadith and the sayings of Sunnies and Shiites are not my topic.

If the Qur'an forbade pedophilia, it would just say "oh yeah, no kid-fucking"

What it wouldn't say is a line about marriage contracts, which were all made by the parents at the time.

Direct citing by name is not needed. Other verses already made it prohibited.
It's not a phenomena to specify independently.

[Magilla]

The test is not just "to look for a creator", but it is "to believe in the real creator". The answer to the morality debate is exactly this: a choice between God's commands and Satan's commands.

That is a false dichotomy. One can choose the commands of neither. I'm pretty sure you'll find that atheists believe in neither "God" nor "Satan", so if not believing in "God" is equivalent to not choosing "God's" commands, by the same token not believing in "Satan" is equivalent to not choosing "Satan's" commands. One can choose to use one's thinking powers to decide what is good behaviour and what is not. Theologies say that humans can't do that correctly, but I see no reason to agree.

[Foxaèr]

There is no test.

The test is a figment of the religious mind.

There is just life, trial and error. Living life, enjoying life, ending life with death.

[WinterHold]

The test is not just "to look for a creator", but it is "to believe in the real creator". The answer to the morality debate is exactly this: a choice between God's commands and Satan's commands.

That is a false dichotomy. One can choose the commands of neither. I'm pretty sure you'll find that atheists believe in neither "God" nor "Satan", so if not believing in "God" is equivalent to not choosing "God's" commands, by the same token not believing in "Satan" is equivalent to not choosing "Satan's" commands. One can choose to use one's thinking powers to decide what is good behaviour and what is not. Theologies say that humans can't do that correctly, but I see no reason to agree.

Islam considered a set of actions to be "chosen and created by God", while other are "not chosen but created by God also". The first are categorized as "good"; the latter are categorized as "evil". Both are created by God; though.

In terms of humans; both ways must be clear: both actions are very obvious, doing the "good" is known, while doing the "bad" is also known: to atheists and theists alike.

It's agreeable worldwide that killing for no reason is wrong -for example-. Also robbing somebody's wealth is also defined as "bad". Rape is wrong in every doctrine...do you see where I'm going with this?

God's distinct line is very obvious between the good and the bad. We say that "consciousness" is the source of this; but doesn't that mean what the member "robvalue" said in a previous comment: that why isn't holy books are imprinted in our minds if it was a test?

God's way is imprinted in us, and it is moral consciousness that is unified between all people.

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There is no test.  

The test is a figment of the religious mind.

There is just life, trial and error.  Living life, enjoying life, ending life with death.

When the "odds" pile up, "thinking about a bigger picture" is born. Let me give you an example:
-We are born
-Ironically, we learn that we can think. We have a whole population of animals and microscopic creatures that are...not awake or not conscious
-Then we have a sun and a moon. Without them we wouldn't exist
-Then we have a proper temperature around all of the planet to ensure the existence of water for our survival. Spawning also.
-Then we have planetary orbits that ensure us dodging comets like the one that hit the dinosaurs

The odds pile up and keep piling up. The more we know about the tiny reasons that could've lead to our extinction or worse:not coming to be; the more a design unfolds.

And a design=a creator. A designer.

[robvalue]

Okay, so now I have to find the true creator, which presumably means being a Muslim?

Do you think it's reasonable and fair Atlas, for me to be sent to hell for (a) not coming to that conclusion or (b) not wanting to be a Muslim even if Allah exists?

[SaStrike]

Not even people 1400 years ago believed that some guy was possessed in a cave and told to write the quran (so a bit of force was used).

But having people believe this stuff in 2018 is an insult to the intelligence of humanity.

[Mystic]

I don't get why Atheists can't accept Quran prohibited pedophilia.