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Should circumcision be illegal?
#21
RE: Should circumcision be illegal?
OP: No, it should not be made illegal.
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#22
RE: Should circumcision be illegal?
It makes sense...as much as anything like it makes sense..as a ritual of tribal inclusion.  

Just like this-



...but we don't let people do that to kids either.....and we don;t let them mutilate female genitalia, either.
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#23
RE: Should circumcision be illegal?
(April 28, 2018 at 3:13 pm)Hammy Wrote:
(April 28, 2018 at 2:55 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: This is a super hot button topic on these forums. I don't have a strong opinion either way. I can see the argument against it as you're cutting a piece of skin off from a baby. On the other hand, circumcision does have health benefits as it helps prevent infections and the spread of STD's. It's all about whether or not you think the "evil" (cutting a piece of skin off a baby) outweighs the good (preventing future complications/infections). Whether or not it should be legal should also depend on that.

It doesn't have health benefits at all unless the baby actually has a condition that means there is something wrong with their foreskin.

Sure, less STDs if you remove the foreskin... but remove someone's feet and they can't get infected toes either.....

Using condoms is always an infinitely healthier option.

And there just is no possible way to morally justify mutilating someone's body parts without their consent unless it is absolutely medically necessary. Which it isn't.

I find it ironic that Christians who believe God made man in his own perfect image also think that some part needs to be removed!

The argument for it that I heard came from my mother in law back when I asked her about it. She's a doctor. Anyway, what she said was basically that she's seen way too many uncircumcused older men and men with disabilities get infections because they aren't able to clean between the foreskin very thoroughly everyday, and so bacteria builds up in there and gets inside the urethra. In some cases, they have to end up getting a circumcision to treat or prevent the recurring issue. Problem is, doing a circumcision on a fully developed penis is a more severe and complicated procedure than doing it on a new born's penis. So may as well get it taken care of when it's easy and simple to prevent bigger problems down the line, is what she says.

As far as sex goes, condom would certainly prevent the STD issue, and washing the foreskin right before sex would prevent giving the woman a UTI. It's up to the guy to be responsible about it though.

Like I said - when it comes to things like this, it's about whether or not the benefits are worth the procedure. I think cutting off a person's feet would be a much bigger hindrance to the person and their quality of life than not having a foreskin, and so is definitely not justifiable to cut off feat to prevent infected toes.
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#24
RE: Should circumcision be illegal?
I am perfectly fine with parents choosing to cut off a part of their male children's pen0rs.
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RE: Should circumcision be illegal?
(April 28, 2018 at 3:37 pm)Chad32 Wrote:
(April 28, 2018 at 3:22 pm)henryp Wrote: I'm thankful my parents made the call.  Having it done as a baby where you don't have the anxiety pre procedure, and you won't remember it post worked out perfectly.  

If I were going to be a loner in the woods jerking off or fucking squirrels, it may not matter.  But dick aesthetics when you're going to be dealing with women seems more important than worrying my freedoms were infringed upon when I was 0.

Unless of course something goes wrong with the procedure, and they do major damage to the dick, or some jew with an STD sucks the blood off your dick and gives you a disease. Also what woman is going to be in love with your physique, and find your personality charming, but then you drop your pants and she calls the relationship off?

There are lots of guys with nice physiques and charming personalities who have dicks they don't find gross.  

Rather than mutilation, I think of it like braces for teeth.  I didn't get consulted on that one either.  Parents just slapped them on.  I could have have had fucked up teeth my whole childhood, and then got braces when I was an adult.  But the way it played out, again, worked out way better than the alternative.
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RE: Should circumcision be illegal?
(April 28, 2018 at 4:22 pm)henryp Wrote:
(April 28, 2018 at 3:37 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Unless of course something goes wrong with the procedure, and they do major damage to the dick, or some jew with an STD sucks the blood off your dick and gives you a disease. Also what woman is going to be in love with your physique, and find your personality charming, but then you drop your pants and she calls the relationship off?

There are lots of guys with nice physiques and charming personalities who have dicks they don't find gross.  

Rather than mutilation, I think of it like braces for teeth.  I didn't get consulted on that one either.  Parents just slapped them on.  I could have have had fucked up teeth my whole childhood, and then got braces when I was an adult.  But the way it played out, again, worked out way better than the alternative.

You can't compare getting braces to getting circumcised. It would be like noticing your teeth are crooked, and deciding to have all your baby teeth pulled out prematurely. They're cutting off the ends of baby dicks, usually because an outdated holy book tells them to.
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RE: Should circumcision be illegal?
(April 28, 2018 at 4:25 pm)Chad32 Wrote:
(April 28, 2018 at 4:22 pm)henryp Wrote: There are lots of guys with nice physiques and charming personalities who have dicks they don't find gross.  

Rather than mutilation, I think of it like braces for teeth.  I didn't get consulted on that one either.  Parents just slapped them on.  I could have have had fucked up teeth my whole childhood, and then got braces when I was an adult.  But the way it played out, again, worked out way better than the alternative.

You can't compare getting braces to getting circumcised. It would be like noticing your teeth are crooked, and deciding to have all your baby teeth pulled out prematurely. They're cutting off the ends of baby dicks, usually because an outdated holy book tells them to.

Unless you're Jewish, most people now a days aren't getting circumcised for religious reasons lol.
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#28
RE: Should circumcision be illegal?
Braces for teeth?  What is circumcision supposed to be correcting? Are kids born with crooked dicks? Will lopping off the tip of their dick correct that misalignment?
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RE: Should circumcision be illegal?
(April 28, 2018 at 4:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(April 28, 2018 at 4:25 pm)Chad32 Wrote: You can't compare getting braces to getting circumcised. It would be like noticing your teeth are crooked, and deciding to have all your baby teeth pulled out prematurely. They're cutting off the ends of baby dicks, usually because an outdated holy book tells them to.

Unless you're Jewish, most people now a days aren't getting circumcised for religious reasons lol.

Indeed, most do it for medical, cleanliness, and aesthetic reasons.
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RE: Should circumcision be illegal?
(April 28, 2018 at 3:54 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: OP: No, it should not be made illegal.

What is your argument for keeping it legal? Curious.
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