DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Nay_Sayer]

Uh, no

The debate you imagined isn’t over because it could never start.  

There could never be any debate involving your cult. With you there is only a echo chamber of calculating hucksters and gullible wish thinking fools affirming an infantile preconceived notion because your cult threaten you with hellfire and load you with Unscrupulous guilt trip if you don’t.

The serious debate could never involve the likes of your kind.   Amongst serious scientists the debate has been over for a hundred years.  There is neither evidence nor need for design.  Natural elements sufficient to convince of their adequacy is readily to be found for each and every step needed from prelude to life to you.

So take your head out of sand made from jesus capolite.

The scientific community disagrees with you.  51 percent of scientists are believers and 41 percent are non-believers based on a Pew poll result.  Once the stigma of ID wears old, I expect that number to increase even more for believers.  Also, 89 percent of people in the US believe in God based on a Gallup poll.

http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scien...nd-belief/
http://news.gallup.com/poll/193271/ameri...e-god.aspx

A valid poll, Can't see any way to refute that.

We just need to get you to understand that god is FSM and the longer you reject his teachings the longer your boiling will be.  Do not suffer unduly.

RAmen

[The Grand Nudger]

The trend is headed the opposite direction.  Fewer and fewer believers accept ID, more and more accept evolutionary biology. It's implosion when it was in the limelight was crippling to the us effort, but it;s been trending downward ever since they began polling for it...in 1982. It always stank, the stink never came off, and never will.

Personally, CDF, I think you should take your faith more seriously..if you're going to go through the trouble of having one.

[surreptitious57]

A scientist can be a believer but belief is an article of faith and as such cannot be scientifically demonstrated and science has nothing to say about non belief for exactly the same reason. So whether
scientists are theists or atheists has absolutely no bearing upon their actual ability as scientists. If every scientist in the world believed in God it would not make his existence more likely. And equally
if every scientist in the world did not believe in God it would not make his non existence more likely. Because both of those would be examples of arguments from popularity which is a logical fallacy

[CDF47]

The trend is headed the opposite direction.  Fewer and fewer believers accept ID, more and more accept evolutionary biology.  It's implosion when it was in the limelight was crippling to the us effort, but it;s been trending downward ever since they began polling for it...in 1982.

Do you have Pew poll results or good sources to back that up?

[Quick]

I don't think the OP makes a strong case... Complexity alone isn't enough to say whether life was created or not. That said, what I believe isn't based in fact because I don't believe we will ever have "enough" evidence to prove whether life was created or not. My views stem from experiences that have happened to myself and others that cannot be explained rationally. In short, I believe that there is meaning to our existence and you cannot have meaning without an other thinking said thing has meaning.

I am a pantheist.

[CDF47]

I don't think the OP makes a strong case... Complexity alone isn't enough to say whether life was created or not. That said, what I believe isn't based in fact because I don't believe we will ever have "enough" evidence to prove whether life was created or not. My views stem from experiences that have happened to myself and others that cannot be explained rationally. In short, I believe that there is meaning to our existence and you cannot have meaning without an other thinking said thing has meaning.

I am a pantheist.

The digital information is extremely complex and extraordinarily specified both.

[The Grand Nudger]

The trend is headed the opposite direction.  Fewer and fewer believers accept ID, more and more accept evolutionary biology.  It's implosion when it was in the limelight was crippling to the us effort, but it;s been trending downward ever since they began polling for it...in 1982.

Do you have Pew poll results or good sources to back that up?

Gallup...but why would it matter...do you suddenly believe in accurate data? Is this new ludicrous argument any more important to you than the last you butchered? Will you stop believing in silly shit if you're shown to be wrong here?

No, no...and no.

[Quick]

I don't think the OP makes a strong case... Complexity alone isn't enough to say whether life was created or not. That said, what I believe isn't based in fact because I don't believe we will ever have "enough" evidence to prove whether life was created or not. My views stem from experiences that have happened to myself and others that cannot be explained rationally. In short, I believe that there is meaning to our existence and you cannot have meaning without an other thinking said thing has meaning.

I am a pantheist.

The digital information is extremely complex and extraordinarily specified both.

Black holes are complex... Are they also made explicitly by a creator?

[CDF47]

The digital information is extremely complex and extraordinarily specified both.

Black holes are complex... Are they also made explicitly by a creator?

Again, that's Shannon information.  It is not specified and complex.  However, based on the fine-tuning of the universe, I believe the entire universe is designed so the black hole is also designed, ultimately. DNA contains information/a code!

[The Grand Nudger]

My views stem from experiences that have happened to myself and others that cannot be explained rationally.

Like seeing Elvis, you mean? 

In short, I believe that there is meaning to our existence and you cannot have meaning without an other thinking said thing has meaning.

If all you needed was an other thinking thing...well, you're surrounded by them.  I;m not sure what gods have to do with that.