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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 9:23 pm
no one:
If it knows all there is to know, how did it fuck up so royally with Adam and Eve and that magic boat?
CDF47:
He gave them free will to follow His direction or not.
Yeah, but it knows all that there is to know. So, it knew from the get go that, that would be the case. I ask you again, how does something that knows everything that there is to know, fuck up so tremendously?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 9:25 pm
(November 13, 2018 at 8:22 pm)Everena Wrote: (November 13, 2018 at 8:06 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: When and if it happens, get back to us .... lol,
Everena: I won't have to get back to you. Science will publish it when it's proven and you can read it for yourself. My guess would be with in the next 5 years
meanwhile it's a baseless assertion to say they can combine the quantum level with the macro level,
Everena: Well quantum biologists are the ones saying it.
(NO ONE has been able to do that, ... which you would know if you had any education, and YOU can say nothing to support your nonsense. You're sounding like a broken record. Got anything of use or interesting ?
No I don't liar. You've already been schooled on why your "logic" is insufficient ... and you can't even say which logic you use, and why.
Everena: Wrong. I am the only one using any logic. And 93% of the world can get this, so that should really, really tell you something.
Do you have any plans to demonstrate that ? LMAO.
Everena: I just did. You don't even understand what "its a matter of when, not if" means.
So then, .... rats are surviving and fucking. Hmmm. They may be more intelligent than Evy
Everena: They have intelligence, they have brains. Even ants have intelligence.
(November 15, 2018 at 9:15 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (November 15, 2018 at 9:14 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Actually it is. A perfect being cannot create something imperfect.
LONG before (your) Adam's fall, dinosaurs got cancer.
You conveniently claim "imperfection" (fallen nature) when you need to.
There is not a shred of evidence anywhere, the preternatural perfection EVER existed, and in fact ALL the evidence points to nature ALWAYS being what it is.
i believe there was animal death before, during, and after the time of Adam and Eve.
(November 15, 2018 at 9:14 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Actually it is. A perfect being cannot create something imperfect.
LONG before (your) Adam's fall, dinosaurs got cancer.
You conveniently claim "imperfection" (fallen nature) when you need to.
There is not a shred of evidence anywhere, the preternatural perfection EVER existed, and in fact ALL the evidence points to nature ALWAYS being what it is.
The perfect being allowed free will and man fell.
There is not one shred of evidence for that Christian (non-Biblical) notion.
There is NOT one shred of evidence that humans (who we KNOW evolved, and KNOW their history) ever once existed in what you claim is "perfect".
There is nothing about a "fall" in the OT. Yahweh said many times he was pleased with Israel.
It is not a "just" thing that innocent generations should be punished for one man. Your gods are not "just".
The role of a messiah was NEVER to save from sin.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 9:28 pm
(November 15, 2018 at 9:23 pm)no one Wrote: no one:
If it knows all there is to know, how did it fuck up so royally with Adam and Eve and that magic boat?
CDF47:
He gave them free will to follow His direction or not.
Yeah, but it knows all that there is to know. So, it knew from the get go that, that would be the case. I ask you again, how does something that knows everything that there is to know, fuck up so tremendously?
He is letting the fall run it's course. He doesn't owe us anything. He gives freely.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 9:29 pm
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(November 15, 2018 at 8:39 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (November 15, 2018 at 8:19 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I get that. What you're not getting is that it's more likely under evolution.
I just guess we would both expect it under our positions.
(November 15, 2018 at 8:23 pm)Amarok Wrote: A convenient excuse to explain away the observation . In other words Designed is again whatever the IDiot wants it to mean .
In other words everything no matter what counts as design . Thus nothing counts as evidence of design . Because you can always appeal to mysterious intentions .
Everything here was designed and constructed by the Creator.
Except the parts which "fell" ... when Adam "fell" .... how exactly can you tell the difference.
Pretty piss-poor design, if things are so poorly made they fall when someone else falls.
What a bunch of rubbish.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 9:31 pm
(November 15, 2018 at 9:25 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: (November 15, 2018 at 9:15 pm)CDF47 Wrote: i believe there was animal death before, during, and after the time of Adam and Eve.
The perfect being allowed free will and man fell.
There is not one shred of evidence for that Christian (non-Biblical) notion.
There is NOT one shred of evidence that humans (who we KNOW evolved, and KNOW their history) ever once existed in what you claim is "perfect".
There is nothing about a "fall" in the OT. Yahweh said many times he was pleased with Israel.
It is not a "just" thing that innocent generations should be punished for one man. Your gods are not "just".
The role of a messiah was NEVER to save from sin.
Sure there is historical and archaeological evidence.
The fall is when Adam and Eve were evicted from the Garden.
Adam is our great, great, great,..., grandfather and leader. We still suffer due to the fall.
The role of Messiah wasn't full understood until the Lord came to Earth.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 9:32 pm
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(November 15, 2018 at 9:31 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (November 15, 2018 at 9:25 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: There is not one shred of evidence for that Christian (non-Biblical) notion.
There is NOT one shred of evidence that humans (who we KNOW evolved, and KNOW their history) ever once existed in what you claim is "perfect".
There is nothing about a "fall" in the OT. Yahweh said many times he was pleased with Israel.
It is not a "just" thing that innocent generations should be punished for one man. Your gods are not "just".
The role of a messiah was NEVER to save from sin.
Sure there is historical and archaeological evidence.
The fall is when Adam and Eve were evicted from the Garden.
Adam is our great, great, great,..., grandfather and leader. We still suffer due to the fall.
The role of Messiah wasn't full understood until the Lord came to Earth.
He's not the messiah. He's a very naughty boy!
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 9:33 pm
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(November 15, 2018 at 9:29 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: (November 15, 2018 at 8:39 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I just guess we would both expect it under our positions.
Everything here was designed and constructed by the Creator.
Except the parts which "fell" ... when Adam "fell" .... how exactly can you tell the difference.
Pretty piss-poor design, if things are so poorly made they fall when someone else falls.
What a bunch of rubbish.
Not sure what you are getting at. Things are not piss poor designed. Things are fine-tuned and irreducibly complex.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 9:35 pm
(November 15, 2018 at 9:33 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (November 15, 2018 at 9:29 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Except the parts which "fell" ... when Adam "fell" .... how exactly can you tell the difference.
Pretty piss-poor design, if things are so poorly made they fall when someone else falls.
What a bunch of rubbish.
You said a whole lot without saying a whole lot. Not sure what you are getting at. Things are not piss poor designed. Things are fine-tuned and irreducibly complex.
Not according to reality.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 9:36 pm
(November 15, 2018 at 9:35 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (November 15, 2018 at 9:33 pm)CDF47 Wrote: You said a whole lot without saying a whole lot. Not sure what you are getting at. Things are not piss poor designed. Things are fine-tuned and irreducibly complex.
Not according to reality.
Yes, this is reality I speak of.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 9:36 pm
There wasn't any fall. If your lord is a know it all, as you claim, It knew it would happen from moment one. There is no getting around that. Your lord is just a plain douche!
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