The jump to the sky.

[Mystic]

You who when saw that sky Mohammad,
Jumped with all might and certainty,
With that faith you reached him,
And became known as Ali.
For in that exalted Jump,
Was the courage,
We all now seek help from,
To defeat Iblis,
And reached the Illiyin (exalted realms),
We seek your help in the journey,
O Mohammad help us with that patience you walked,
O Ali help us with that courage that connected you to Mohammad,
And to which you jumped to his place,
With no looking back,
You flew in a twinkle of an eye,
So you can be his brother forever,
And forever Worship God with him,
O you who was the one meant by that vision of God,
When he saw that is was good,
O Hassan, it was through you that goodness was known,
Perfected in all that O Hussain, was the beauty of the light,
O Hussain make us prefer your beauty over all other lower manifestations of beauty,
And it was from you O Hussain that 9 Signs of God,
beautiful names of God,
Who each saw the beauty from an angle that brought it all together,
Were born,
And the final guided one, the promised King,
became the center purpose of it all,
And you were all there together,
Along with the radiant Fatima,
The first house enjoined for people,
By which all exalted houses that God permitted to be risen,
And his named remembered therein,
Were given their stations,
In degrees of love of you,
You are that family of the reminder,
By which all others families of the reminders were illuminated from,
You are the best of those who race ahead,
From the travelers to God and helpers of God,
All I ask of you,
Is to intercede,
And descend by God's permission,
drops of rain from your ocean,
So that my soul will grow,
And cover my darkness and ugliness,
With a leaf from you,
O tree of life,
O tree of light,
O blessed ocean,
O Highest Stars in the Highest Realms,
Through you do I hope to uncover the secrets of the revelations,
And understand the final recitation,
And help God,
bring about his light,
And be part of the believers,
That help manifest it to mankind!

[Minimalist]

There once was a man from Nantucket.

[chimp3]

You who when saw that sky Mohammad,
Jumped with all might and certainty,
With that faith you reached him,
And became known as Ali.
For in that exalted Jump,
Was the courage,
We all now seek help from,
To defeat Iblis,
And reached the Illiyin (exalted realms),
We seek your help in the journey,
O Mohammad help us with that patience you walked,
O Ali help us with that courage that connected you to Mohammad,
And to which you jumped to his place,
With no looking back,
You flew in a twinkle of an eye,
So you can be his brother forever,
And forever Worship God with him,
O you who was the one meant by that vision of God,
When he saw that is was good,
O Hassan, it was through you that goodness was known,
Perfected in all that O Hussain, was the beauty of the light,
O Hussain make us prefer your beauty over all other lower manifestations of beauty,
And it was from you O Hussain that 9 Signs of God,
beautiful names of God,
Who each saw the beauty from an angle that brought it all together,
Were born,
And the final guided one, the promised King,
became the center purpose of it all,
And you were all there together,
Along with the radiant Fatima,
The first house enjoined for people,
By which all exalted houses that God permitted to be risen,
And his named remembered therein,
Were given their stations,
In degrees of love of you,
You are that family of the reminder,
By which all others families of the reminders were illuminated from,
You are the best of those who race ahead,
From the travelers to God and helpers of God,
All I ask of you,
Is to intercede,
And descend by God's permission,
drops of rain from your ocean,
So that my soul will grow,
And cover my darkness and ugliness,
With a leaf from you,
O tree of life,
O tree of light,
O blessed ocean,
O Highest Stars in the Highest Realms,
Through you do I hope to uncover the secrets of the revelations,
And understand the final recitation,
And help God,
bring about his light,
And be part of the believers,
That help manifest it to mankind!

Why would you post that on an atheist forum?

[Brian37]

You who when saw that sky Mohammad,
Jumped with all might and certainty,
With that faith you reached him,
And became known as Ali.
For in that exalted Jump,
Was the courage,
We all now seek help from,
To defeat Iblis,
And reached the Illiyin (exalted realms),
We seek your help in the journey,
O Mohammad help us with that patience you walked,
O Ali help us with that courage that connected you to Mohammad,
And to which you jumped to his place,
With no looking back,
You flew in a twinkle of an eye,
So you can be his brother forever,
And forever Worship God with him,
O you who was the one meant by that vision of God,
When he saw that is was good,
O Hassan, it was through you that goodness was known,
Perfected in all that O Hussain, was the beauty of the light,
O Hussain make us prefer your beauty over all other lower manifestations of beauty,
And it was from you O Hussain that 9 Signs of God,
beautiful names of God,
Who each saw the beauty from an angle that brought it all together,
Were born,
And the final guided one, the promised King,
became the center purpose of it all,
And you were all there together,
Along with the radiant Fatima,
The first house enjoined for people,
By which all exalted houses that God permitted to be risen,
And his named remembered therein,
Were given their stations,
In degrees of love of you,
You are that family of the reminder,
By which all others families of the reminders were illuminated from,
You are the best of those who race ahead,
From the travelers to God and helpers of God,
All I ask of you,
Is to intercede,
And descend by God's permission,
drops of rain from your ocean,
So that my soul will grow,
And cover my darkness and ugliness,
With a leaf from you,
O tree of life,
O tree of light,
O blessed ocean,
O Highest Stars in the Highest Realms,
Through you do I hope to uncover the secrets of the revelations,
And understand the final recitation,
And help God,
bring about his light,
And be part of the believers,
That help manifest it to mankind!

Why would you post that on an atheist forum?

Because he can and this forum doesn't ban theists.

Logic is another thing though. And yes, I do have a problem with his logic, but to be fair to him, as much as I like CL, I don't find her claims credible either.

[Mystic]

It has the true nature of the word "faith" from my perspective for one thing.

It can help you stop with the blind belief thing you make of it or conjecture type hope.....but I won't hold my breath for that to happen.

[Minimalist]

It has the true nature of the word "faith" from my perspective for one thing.

We are not impressed with "faith" which is merely an excuse to stop thinking.

Try facts.  If you have any they will work better.

[chimp3]

It has the true nature of the word "faith" from my perspective for one thing.

It can help you stop with the blind belief thing you make of it or conjecture type hope.....but I won't hold my breath for that to happen.

Please don't hold your breath. You have never inspired me towards faith.

[Mystic]

It has the moral argument phrased in detail and manifestation, but won't hold your breath to see that as well.

[Brian37]

It has the moral argument phrased in detail and manifestation, but won't hold your breath to see that as well.

You don't need a fictional sky hero to know humans all want the same things. We all want peace, we all want love, we all want a means to survive. The conflict between humans is  far too often about claims of the supernatural, when natural answers fill those gaps.

[Mystic]

The conflicts are best described by the Torah and Quran,  envy for God's grace upon who he favored with representing his religion.   The families of the reminders chosen for leading humanity to guidance and it's manifest when the world is united in hate towards their lovers and nothing but that unites them.