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CBD oil. Acupuncture.
#11
RE: CBD oil. Acupuncture.
CBD: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4189631/  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4604171/

Acupuncture is no more effective than sham procedures/placebo.
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#12
RE: CBD oil. Acupuncture.
I'm out here in San Francisco where both CBD and acupuncture are very popular. There is very little in the way of conclusive science for either, which doubtless explains why you are posting this here. I have not tried acupuncture. My experiences with CBD are inconclusive. I have never used it in any sort of a controlled test, and have usually consumed THC at the same time, so any positive effects could be attributable to that. Prior to recreational legalization here, free samples were very common. I'm not sure where you are, but you may be able to find some that you can try for free. I would start with a small test spot on the back of your hand before applying it over a large area. I have heard of people who are allergic having a bad time. My experience is such that I wouldn't recommend spending any serious money until you determine if it has any affect on you, placebo or otherwise. Others have told me they get a tingling sensation from the area they apply it to but the only time I experienced anything remotely like that was when the CBD oil had been blended with eucalyptus oil.

In both instances, acupuncture and CBD oil, I urge you to consider the advocates themselves. My experience has been that the same people who advocate for both also go in heavy for herbal remedies and spiritual cures. Two things I remain skeptical about. I don't dispute the efficacy of some herbal decoctions, and wholly advocate medical and recreational marijuana for adult persons, but I never seem able to accept anecdotal evidence as proof of anything. Snake oil salesman is probably the world's second oldest profession.

I have heard, also anecdotal, some acupuncture horror stories. Nerve damage, infections, flesh-eating bacteria, really a lot of the same things you can pick up at the local emergency ward. It is really something of a lifestyle choice, but I secretly believe that all of those herb-popping, yoga-posing vegans are, in truth, crypto-chili dog eaters that have been sent to infiltrate on behalf of the Ecuadorian quinoa cartel.
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#13
RE: CBD oil. Acupuncture.
(May 11, 2018 at 2:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote: We have some dog owners who swear by acupuncture for their dogs.  Dogs of course are immune to the placebo effect but not so their owners.  Generally it seems to me that people who submit to acupuncture themselves swear it works wonders on their dogs while those who don't are unimpressed.

A vet I used for one of my old guys offered a couple of free acupuncture 'treatments' when she started down the road of Chinese medicine and herbs.  He was 12 years old and needed some help getting up.  He had two treatments and I saw no difference.  I frequently had to lift his butt up for him.  After the second treatment I found one of the pins that they left in him when I got him home.  That was the end of that.  I switched vets.



Years ago we started making a fuss over one of our house cats as he aged and seemed to be getting more stiff when he got up from nap time. Turns out we were inadvertently training the cat to milk the infirmity angle for more attention.

Didn't take too long and the cat is dragging it's lower half around as though it's paralyzed from the chest area down. I took the cat to the vet to have him euth'd and upon putting him on the exam table, he jumped down and ran down the hallway at 30 miles per hour.

The vet looked at me and said. "I don't think he's paralyzed".

We ignored the cat's little decrepitude act after that and he rapidly improved in his mobility.

He almost got to go to kitty heaven for that . . .

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#14
RE: CBD oil. Acupuncture.
(May 11, 2018 at 11:04 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:
(May 11, 2018 at 2:48 pm)Minimalist Wrote: We have some dog owners who swear by acupuncture for their dogs.  Dogs of course are immune to the placebo effect but not so their owners.  Generally it seems to me that people who submit to acupuncture themselves swear it works wonders on their dogs while those who don't are unimpressed.

A vet I used for one of my old guys offered a couple of free acupuncture 'treatments' when she started down the road of Chinese medicine and herbs.  He was 12 years old and needed some help getting up.  He had two treatments and I saw no difference.  I frequently had to lift his butt up for him.  After the second treatment I found one of the pins that they left in him when I got him home.  That was the end of that.  I switched vets.



Years ago we started making a fuss over one of our house cats as he aged and seemed to be getting more stiff when he got up from nap time.  Turns out we were inadvertently training the cat to milk the infirmity angle for more attention.

Didn't take too long and the cat is dragging it's lower half around as though it's paralyzed from the chest area down.  I took the cat to the vet to have him euth'd and upon putting him on the exam table, he jumped down and ran down the hallway at 30 miles per hour.

The vet looked at me and said. "I don't think he's paralyzed".

We ignored the cat's little decrepitude act after that and he rapidly improved in his mobility.

He almost got to go to kitty heaven for that . . .

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That sounds like a cat, alright. I'm sometimes in awe of the crap our cats pull on us. They are incredible manipulators.

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#15
RE: CBD oil. Acupuncture.
Quote:He almost got to go to kitty heaven for that . . .


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