Are Christians discriminated against more than those of other faiths?

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Because it is Christianity, not Islam, that is responsible for most of the ignorant, anti-enlightenment superstitions that actually making the population of this country on average outstandingly uninformed and stupid by comparison to other parts of the world that has benefited from the same enlightenment heritage.

I've never actually seen any evidence to support that claim as a general principle,although I'd be thrilled to see your evidence.

Religions are invented by men for men. They do not cause ignorance or superstition per se. Religion thrives in ignorance and poverty as preconditions. It dwindles with education and affluence.

Although ignorant and stupid people tend to be religious and superstitious,by no mean all religious people are ignorant and superstitious.The flavour of religion seems to be pretty much irrelevant,with the exception of Scientology-which-is-a- confidence-trick-not-a-religion-anyway.

[lrh9]

I think people in the West express a lot of criticism against the fundamentalist or authoritarian aspects of Christianity. However, I think the West is most hostile to Muslim people and liberal people, socialists, and non-theists.

It's about "the enemy you know" so to speak. Most people in the West understand, are familiar with, or are acquainted with Christianity. That means they have more ammunition. However, I think most people in the west abhor the groups I mentioned above.

[Anomalocaris]

I've never actually seen any evidence to support that claim as a general principle,although I'd be thrilled to see your evidence.

Religions are invented by men for men. They do not cause ignorance or superstition per se. Religion thrives in ignorance and poverty as preconditions. It dwindles with education and affluence.

Although ignorant and stupid people tend to be religious and superstitious,by no mean all religious people are ignorant and superstitious.The flavour of religion seems to be pretty much irrelevant,with the exception of Scientology-which-is-a- confidence-trick-not-a-religion-anyway.

Evidence for religion breeding ignorance, americans are particularly uninformed, or the causal relationship between the two?

If one define ignorance not as lack of exposure of knowledge, but failure to embrace knowledge in preference to superstition, then religion certainly cause ignorance by inserting into the overall educational environment a set of socially promoted substitutions for real knowledge offered in the educational system, and in addition actively promote a settled complacence in those substitutions. The evidence is the high incidence of doubt and denial about evolution and modern cosmology in this country when educational system itself offers generally adequate basic instruction in these field. Amongst all of the developed world, none exhibit as high a preference for biblical creation over modern scientific cosmology and evolution. I believe America ranks below Islamic turkey in acceptance of nonreligious based cosmology and evolution.

[theVOID]

I think people in the West express a lot of criticism against the fundamentalist or authoritarian aspects of Christianity. However, I think the West is most hostile to Muslim people and liberal people, socialists, and non-theists.

It's about "the enemy you know" so to speak. Most people in the West understand, are familiar with, or are acquainted with Christianity. That means they have more ammunition. However, I think most people in the west abhor the groups I mentioned above.

Liberals? Most of the west is liberal... America is the anomaly and not the norm.

Non theists in the west in general would also be a small issue, America is relatively alone in that as well.

Actually, Socialists get an unusually hard time in America too for some reason... There are socialist systems like Denmark which are extremely successful, moral and productive - I don't support anywhere near the level of dissent towards socialism that is displayed on Faux news, I just don't believe extensive socialism is the way to go, they ultimately become more authoritarian, and that is a BIG concern for me.

I agree with you that there is far more hostility towards Muslims, but Islam is inherently worse than Christianity from the ground up, so it deserves more hostility. The biggest problem is anti-Muslim attitudes bleeding into anti-Arab attitudes.

[lrh9]

I disagree with your characterizations, and I think your reply contains a blatant hypocrisy.

Restricting someone's freedom of religion and freedom of expression is one of the most authoritarian things a government can do, even if the religion targeted is Islam and the people targeted are Muslims.

[theVOID]

Firstly, what characterisations did I make?

Secondly, Where was I being hypocritical?

Thirdly, I'm not in support of punishing people for their beliefs, I am saying that Islam is inherently more likely to have a negative impact on the values of the most people, including having negative impacts on a large number of it's followers, especially the women, this gives us more reason to condemn their beliefs than those of Christianity.

[lrh9]

Firstly, what characterisations did I make?

I'm referring to the ones regarding your comparisons of America and the rest of the West.

Secondly, Where was I being hypocritical?

You claim to oppose authoritarianism, correct? Do you support the authoritarian legislation against Muslim people and the practice of Islam?

[theVOID]

Firstly, what characterisations did I make?

I'm referring to the ones regarding your comparisons of America and the rest of the West.

How is that a characterisation? In most western nations non-theism isn't a huge issue, neither is liberalism and socialism (which would be the most controversial) tends to have more support.

You can't judge western society based on the the idea that America is the norm, the rest of the west is generally more to the left, America is pretty much the most right wing and the most Christian of the western nations.

Secondly, Where was I being hypocritical?

You claim to oppose authoritarianism, correct? Do you support the authoritarian legislation against Muslim people and the practice of Islam?

No, where did you get that impression?

The desire to dictate beliefs to people is a desire that would thwart more and stronger desires than it promotes. A desire to condemn or punish beliefs that tend to thwart more and stronger desires than it fulfils is justified - A desire to believe in Islam is not such a desire in the vast majority of circumstances so you can say that a desire to follow Islam is not a desire that tends to thwart more and stronger desires than it promotes.

[lrh9]

I'm not particularly interested in your reasons for supporting or opposing the legislation against freedom of expression and freedom of religion. I just wanted to know if you supported the legislation. You've told me you do not. I got the impression from your support of hostility towards the practice of Islam.

However, what if I could make a compelling case that Christianity and Islam are fundamentally the same in their negative aspects?

[Znedrow4]

jews are discriminated against more than any other religion. holocaust, thousands of years of slavery enough said