Defensive anyone? Kavanaugh sounds scared!

[GUBU]

Nobody in this thread presented any good reason to believe Blasey Ford's accusations.  You atheists are the ones always asking for solid evidence to believe in God, but you all fall right in line in this case. I can't wait until this circus of a hearing is over and we have Kavanaugh on the supreme court.  I think the women of America have gone off the deep end.

And you purport to love, cherish and protect your daughters. My deepest sympathies go out to them, they've a piece of shit for a father.

[Lek]

Nobody in this thread presented any good reason to believe Blasey Ford's accusations.  You atheists are the ones always asking for solid evidence to believe in God, but you all fall right in line in this case. I can't wait until this circus of a hearing is over and we have Kavanaugh on the supreme court.  I think the women of America have gone off the deep end.

And you purport to love, cherish and protect your daughters.  My deepest sympathies go out to them, they've a piece of shit for a father.

This has as much to do with protecting our sons as our daughters.  I'd like to think that a person has some convincing evidence before making charges that could destroy someone's career and family.  I don't want my daughter to live in a world in which a man is pronounced guilty of an accusation by a woman simply because he's a man or because he belongs to a particular political party.  Some of the same people who are condemning Kavanaugh are the same people who utterly ignored the women who came forth to accuse Bill Clinton of sexual assault.  They didn't care about those women and they don't care about this woman.  If this was really all about Ms Ford, instead of a political maneuver, it would have been presented in the hearing in July when they knew about it.  This isn't about finding the truth, but rather about blocking Kavanaugh from the supreme court.  Do you think that maybe five Democrats may believe Kavanaugh or maybe five Republicans would believe Ford?  No way, they're all falling in line behind their respective parties.  This is no search for the truth.

[Aliza]

And you purport to love, cherish and protect your daughters.  My deepest sympathies go out to them, they've a piece of shit for a father.

This has as much to do with protecting our sons as our daughters.  I'd like to think that a person has some convincing evidence before making charges that could destroy someone's career and family.  I don't want my daughter to live in a world in which a man is pronounced guilty of an accusation by a woman simply because he's a man or because he belongs to a particular political party.  Some of the same people who are condemning Kavanaugh are the same people who utterly ignored the women who came forth to accuse Bill Clinton of sexual assault.  They didn't care about those women and they don't care about this woman.  If this was really all about Ms Ford, instead of a political maneuver, it would have been presented in the hearing in July when they knew about it.  This isn't about finding the truth, but rather about blocking Kavanaugh from the supreme court.

I'm not entirely sure how not getting a promotion destroys someone's career.

Just out of curiosity, do you want to live in a world where your daughter gets raped and her rapist continues to rape other women, and then the president of the United States makes light of the assault against her and gives her rapist the authority to decide the fate of other rapists? Do you want to live in a world where your daughter is afraid to come forward about the attack perpetrated against her because people will say that some attacks warrant prison time, but other attacks -particularly her attack- should be swept under the rug because the attacker is in the good ol' boys club? Would it be okay if your daughter was raped and officials laughed at her and dismissed her allegations?

Do you want to live in a world where people who lie to and mislead the FBI, the senate and the American people get to decide the fates of other people who lie and mislead officials? Judge Kavanaugh does not deserve a promotion. That's it. If charges follow any of this, that's separate and aside from consideration for a promotion. Promotions are for the people who warrant them and not getting one doesn't destroy a person's career.

[Divinity]

Religious nuts are more worried about their sons because they don't really care if their daughters get raped. On the other hand, their sons are actually pretty likely to rape someone. So they want to have cover for when it happens. That much is obvious.

[Aliza]

Can you imagine every grocery store bagger quitting their jobs and giving up on life because they didn't get the promotion to shift supervisor? Guess what! If you confront your boss with offensive, rude language, openly challenge their authority, and deliberately mislead customers about which aisle the bread is on because it's fun to watch them wander around the store in confusion, then YOU DON'T DESERVE A PROMOTION!

[Lek]

This has as much to do with protecting our sons as our daughters.  I'd like to think that a person has some convincing evidence before making charges that could destroy someone's career and family.  I don't want my daughter to live in a world in which a man is pronounced guilty of an accusation by a woman simply because he's a man or because he belongs to a particular political party.  Some of the same people who are condemning Kavanaugh are the same people who utterly ignored the women who came forth to accuse Bill Clinton of sexual assault.  They didn't care about those women and they don't care about this woman.  If this was really all about Ms Ford, instead of a political maneuver, it would have been presented in the hearing in July when they knew about it.  This isn't about finding the truth, but rather about blocking Kavanaugh from the supreme court.

I'm not entirely sure how not getting a promotion destroys someone's career.

Just out of curiosity, do you want to live in a world where your daughter gets raped and her rapist continues to rape other women, and then the president of the United States makes light of the assault against her and gives her rapist the authority to decide the fate of other rapists? Do you want to live in a world where your daughter is afraid to come forward about the attack perpetrated against her because  people will say that some attacks warrant prison time, but other attacks -particularly her attack- should be swept under the rug because the attacker is in the good ol' boys club? Would it be okay if your daughter was raped and officials laughed at her and dismissed her allegations?

Do you want to live in a world where people who lie to and mislead the FBI, the senate and the American people get to decide the fates of other people who lie and mislead officials? Judge Kavanaugh does not deserve a promotion. That's it. If charges follow any of this, that's separate and aside from consideration for a promotion. Promotions are for the people who warrant them and not getting one doesn't destroy a person's career.

These allegations are something that will stick in the minds of people for the rest of his life.  Some will believe them and some will not.  This will follow him no matter what path he takes in his career.  No.  I don't want to live in the world which you described, as well as the world which I described.  I want to live in a world in which justice is served for both men and women.

[Aliza]

I'm not entirely sure how not getting a promotion destroys someone's career.

Just out of curiosity, do you want to live in a world where your daughter gets raped and her rapist continues to rape other women, and then the president of the United States makes light of the assault against her and gives her rapist the authority to decide the fate of other rapists? Do you want to live in a world where your daughter is afraid to come forward about the attack perpetrated against her because  people will say that some attacks warrant prison time, but other attacks -particularly her attack- should be swept under the rug because the attacker is in the good ol' boys club? Would it be okay if your daughter was raped and officials laughed at her and dismissed her allegations?

Do you want to live in a world where people who lie to and mislead the FBI, the senate and the American people get to decide the fates of other people who lie and mislead officials? Judge Kavanaugh does not deserve a promotion. That's it. If charges follow any of this, that's separate and aside from consideration for a promotion. Promotions are for the people who warrant them and not getting one doesn't destroy a person's career.

These allegations are something that will stick in the minds of people for the rest of his life.  Some will believe them and some will not.  This will follow him no matter what path he takes in his career.  No.  I don't want to live in the world which you described, as well as the world which I described.  I want to live in a world in which justice is served for both men and women.

Yes, they will stick in people's minds. If you don't want things like this out there, then don't sexually assault women. It's that simple. Just don't do that.

The message for people... all people is that the things you say and do become a part of this world once you do them. Conduct your life responsibly and with the expectation that records of your actions are being noted. If you do something wrong to someone... if you offend them or hurt them, make that thing right rather than kicking and screaming on the defensive (and very much offensive) as Kavanaugh did.

The correct answer to this whole debacle was for Kavanaugh to have immediately placed a phone call to Dr. Ford to address this with her personally. He needed to apologize and explain to her that what he did (if he did it while he was blacked out), was clearly wrong and that he did not continue this behavior into his adulthood. He should have offered her his heartfelt support and have offered to try to help her heal in any way that he could.

He utterly disgraced himself with the temper tantrum he threw before the senate committee.

[epronovost]

The same can be said about Ford. Some believe her and others thinks she's lying for political gain. Some believe she is a criminal and this will follow her no matter what career path she takes. She stand to lose the same thing than Kavanaugh, her job and her reputation if she isn't widely believed. Even people who have placed legitimate and completly recognised allegation of sexual misconduct against them have seen their lives and careers destroyed. On the opposite end of the spectrum many people convicted of grave sexual offenses have managed to have succesful careers and lives afterward (Mike Tyson is pretty much an example of that).

In the end, when accusations are made some people will believe them and others won't. Public personnas who derive their power, prestige and money from their reputation are those most likely to lose from those accusations, but at the same time this reputation can allow them to victimise people more easily and in more impunity. he who lives by the sword dies by the sword; he who lives off his reputation dies by it.

[Aliza]

This woman on MSNBC last night was talking about her background check to be a Federal Judge. She was asked about everyone she's ever lived with going all the way back, and every illegal drug she's ever used. She said that there was a sense from the questions they were asking that the probe contained disqualifying questions, and that the scope did include all history of indiscriminate behavior.

Kavanaugh clearly knew he drank too much in high school. He knew the reputation he carried among his friends. I'm sure he was aware of the book written by Mark Judge, and he had to know that it was "out there" that he had conducted himself like an out-of-control, wild young man. If he chose not to disclose that information during the background check, then not only did he lie by stating that these things didn't happen, but he also opened himself up for scrutiny. Make no mistake about that.

[Angrboda]

If this was really all about Ms Ford, instead of a political maneuver, it would have been presented in the hearing in July when they knew about it. 

Do you have reasons and evidence for believing this, or are you just all about pushing partisan bullshit and discrediting victims because it serves your self-interest?

23 “If there is a girl who is a virgin engaged to a man, and another man finds her in the city and lies with her, 24 then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city and you shall stone them to death; the girl, because she did not cry out in the city, and the man, because he has violated his neighbor’s wife.
Deuteronomy 22:23-24

28 “If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered, 29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29