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Does Quran prove God?
October 12, 2018 at 6:22 am
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2018 at 6:23 am by Mystic.)
Your identity is interlinked with perception and requires it (whether brain generates or something else).
You have an exact valued identity.
Nothing can see you exactly as you are but God.
Therefore God exists.
This is found in holy books, but not in this formal logical format, but just easy to understand expressions and reminders.
Another way to phrase all the above:
There is only one absolute being that can define you exactly as you are and you are defined in an exact measured way.
Another way to phrase it:
God sees you exactly as you are. (this contains all the premises above including the 1st premise)
And there are many other expressions you can come up with and are found in holy books then similar, and hence, contain the argument.
I will first list all the versions of this argument through out Quran. And then I will show other arguments as well.
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RE: Does Quran prove God?
October 12, 2018 at 6:27 am
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RE: Does Quran prove God?
October 12, 2018 at 6:28 am
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(October 12, 2018 at 6:22 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Your identity is interlinked with perception and requires it (whether brain generates or something else).
This doesn’t make much sense to me, but okay.
Quote: You have an exact valued identity.
I’ve no idea what this means or how you could establish this.
Quote: Nothing can see you exactly as you are but God.
Ambiguous statement, and it’s just an assertion.
Quote: Therefore God exists.
Nope. This is barely coherent, let alone persuasive. It’s jumbling extremely vague concepts in untestable ways. How would things be different if there was no god? No one could see our identity, whatever that means. Why would that matter? It seems things would continue as normal.
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RE: Does Quran prove God?
October 12, 2018 at 6:40 am
robvalue, I'm not convinced you don't understand the premises or their support (which are manifest, but have proof for as well).
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RE: Does Quran prove God?
October 12, 2018 at 6:49 am
The Quaran is a much proof god, as any fictional book is proof for their "main" character.
Comic books exist therefore superman does.
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RE: Does Quran prove God?
October 12, 2018 at 6:51 am
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Okay, well I think a lot of careful definitions need to be made for those statements to mean anything. Right now they’re just a weird collection of words.
So no, I really don’t know what those things are meant to mean. It's up to you whether you want to clarify your terminology, and explain how any of it is evident. I doubt anyone here knows what you mean, or why it's required for anyone to "see" people in this way.
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RE: Does Quran prove God?
October 12, 2018 at 6:53 am
I've elaborated this in great detail in past threads. If I expand in detail, people think it's too long and complicated. If I summarize and keep it simple, people say not defined.
Anyways, the purpose of this thread is to show arguments in Quran. The elaboration of the premises will be also elaborated through other verses, as all verses hold each other together in Quran.
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RE: Does Quran prove God?
October 12, 2018 at 6:57 am
Okay, well there’s nothing much to discuss then. God sees me really well therefor god exists isn’t even vaguely like a decent argument. You assume it’s necessary for anyone to see me really well, without saying why. Would I disappear if no one could see me really well? It sounds more like I’m a figment of gods imagination, so if he stops imagining me how I am, I do cease to exist.
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RE: Does Quran prove God?
October 12, 2018 at 6:59 am
(October 12, 2018 at 6:57 am)robvalue Wrote: Would I disappear if no one could see me really well?
Yes, but that's a different argument. I'm talking about your value, it would not have exact value and your deeds would not be part of who you are in exact precision value if not for the absolute judge.
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RE: Does Quran prove God?
October 12, 2018 at 7:02 am
Why not? If my values are absolute, what does a judge's opinion matter? Do my values change according to his whimsies?
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