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RE: Elizabeth Warren impressed me
October 16, 2018 at 12:59 pm
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(October 16, 2018 at 12:45 pm)alpha male Wrote: (October 16, 2018 at 11:46 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: That's nice. How exactly does that support your apparent implied claim that Warren's parents had neither Cherokee or Delaware ancestry, or that they didn't have to elope because of the supposed ancestry?
LMAO. What a blatant switch of the burden of proof. Warren made the positive claim. This DNA test doesn't support it.
If only Warren’s family had DNA test results instead of, say, family stories to pass along to her as a girl . . .
Just curious, AM, but how do you feel about people who welch on a bet that would result in a generous charitable donation?
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RE: Elizabeth Warren impressed me
October 16, 2018 at 1:05 pm
Quote:LMAO. What a blatant switch of the burden of proof. Warren made the positive claim. This DNA test doesn't support it.
Keep proving your full of shit
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RE: Elizabeth Warren impressed me
October 16, 2018 at 1:21 pm
(October 15, 2018 at 11:38 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Who cares what her ancestors were, what they did, or where they came from?
It shouldn't be an issue - unless they came from another planet.
And yeah - Trump is a dick, and apparently a welcher as well.
Why should being from another planet matter? 
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RE: Elizabeth Warren impressed me
October 16, 2018 at 1:37 pm
(October 16, 2018 at 12:45 pm)alpha male Wrote: (October 16, 2018 at 11:46 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: That's nice. How exactly does that support your apparent implied claim that Warren's parents had neither Cherokee or Delaware ancestry, or that they didn't have to elope because of the supposed ancestry?
LMAO. What a blatant switch of the burden of proof. Warren made the positive claim. This DNA test doesn't support it.
I'm reminded of the George Bernard Shaw quote about wrestling with pigs.
AM and Trump both argue without regard to the truth. For them the object is simply to sling more shit on the other person than they can on you. Also like Trump, AM likes to wrap himself in the flag and the bible as if those talismans actually stood for something.
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RE: Elizabeth Warren impressed me
October 16, 2018 at 1:39 pm
(October 16, 2018 at 1:37 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (October 16, 2018 at 12:45 pm)alpha male Wrote: LMAO. What a blatant switch of the burden of proof. Warren made the positive claim. This DNA test doesn't support it.
I'm reminded of the George Bernard Shaw quote about wrestling with pigs.
AM and Trump both argue without regard to the truth. For them the object is simply to sling more shit on the other person than they can on you. Also like Trump, AM likes to wrap himself in the flag and the bible as if those talismans actually stood for something. When on him the bible may as well be a blank book with " i am righteous " written in his own shit and that flag might as well be soiled rag .
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RE: Elizabeth Warren impressed me
October 16, 2018 at 2:00 pm
(October 16, 2018 at 1:37 pm)Whateverist Wrote: AM likes to wrap himself in the flag and the bible as if those talismans actually stood for something.
That's interesting, let's see some examples.
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RE: Elizabeth Warren impressed me
October 16, 2018 at 2:02 pm
More proof of the above
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RE: Elizabeth Warren impressed me
October 16, 2018 at 2:11 pm
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(October 16, 2018 at 12:45 pm)alpha male Wrote: (October 16, 2018 at 11:46 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: That's nice. How exactly does that support your apparent implied claim that Warren's parents had neither Cherokee or Delaware ancestry, or that they didn't have to elope because of the supposed ancestry?
LMAO. What a blatant switch of the burden of proof. Warren made the positive claim. This DNA test doesn't support it.
In as much as we can determine Native American ancestry from genetic markers, the tests do support it. The fact of the matter is that we don't have genetic databases for Native American ancestry, so Bustamante used Mexico, Peru, and Colombia as proxies for Native American ancestry. "To make up for the dearth of Native American DNA, Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American. That’s because scientists believe that the groups Americans refer to as Native American came to this land via the Bering Strait about 12,000 years ago and settled in what’s now America but also migrated further south." (~ InfoWars) It is the consensus view that Native Americans and these groups share a common ancestry, so locating DNA belonging to any of these groups is a valid proxy for Native American ancestry and so it definitely does support her claim (as Khemikal pointed out earlier, we have reason to believe these markers are shared in common with both North American and South American indigenous peoples). To deny that it does is either to deny the science regarding the ancestry of North and South American indigenous populations, or to argue that the test isn't specific enough to definitively identify Native American ancestry. Either way the test does indeed support her claim, despite your quibbling. In addition, there is the newsletter referencing her ancestor's being recorded as having indicated Native American ancestry on a marriage license. That's two independent points of support for her claim that she has Native American ancestry. If you're going to argue otherwise, as you appear to be doing, then you've made your own claim in the matter, and that claim requires some sort of support. So, no, I didn't reverse the burden of proof, and you're simply wrong in saying that the DNA test doesn't support her claim of native american ancestry, because it clearly does.
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RE: Elizabeth Warren impressed me
October 16, 2018 at 2:11 pm
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(October 16, 2018 at 2:11 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: In as much as we can determine Native American ancestry from genetic markers, the tests do support it.
No, 1 ancestor 8 generations ago doesn't support her claims.
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RE: Elizabeth Warren impressed me
October 16, 2018 at 2:13 pm
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