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Are Numbers Real?
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Are Numbers Real?
During a discussion of moral realism in the philosophy subforums, I was reminded that (like ethics) the status of mathematics has been brought into question as an objective enterprise that can produce truth statements.

What say you? Are numbers real? If so, in what way are they real?



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#2
RE: Are Numbers Real?
My take, they are a representation of/for things, both real and imaginary.
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#3
RE: Are Numbers Real?
God is every number.

The most important perspective, is that he is One.

But from another perspective, he is Yin/Yang, Sheer Majesty/Sheer Beauty, Compassionate/Wrathful... so in this regard he told Angels "do not take two gods...", but rather they should be seen in that, the division is due limitations of creation and how he relates to us while he is One.

As for why he is 3, it's because he appears at a distance (star), lights the way (moon), and brightens the day (sun), and so the parables of light took on these three forms in holy scriptures.

As for why he is 4, it's because he is exalted from four different perspectives, four different mountains, and this fills the basis of his right to be worshipped, and if we exalt the chosen ones in those 4 respects or any of them with equality to God, we've lost our way, and this forms the basis of Taqwa.

Four exalting grounds to God, is seeking his pleasure, adorning oneself with his worship, courage should be to the degree we fear no other then Him and fear Him alone, and prefer purity and his pure word over the unclean word, lest we mix our worship with Satan.


This is the foundation of triumph of victory and so the foundations of his religion rest upon it, and God as the foundation of society is four.

And numbers all can account for a title of God and how he relates to creation through it.

7 is the veils between God and creation. 70 is another expression of that. 70 000 is another. So 7 pertains to how he is veiled.

10 is the walking feet of God and pertains to how he helps us stabilize our feet, we take 1 step, he brings us 10 forward through it.


I think every number, God someway is that, but from a specific parable title.
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RE: Are Numbers Real?
(October 15, 2018 at 6:53 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: During a discussion of moral realism in the philosophy subforums, I was reminded that (like ethics) the status of mathematics has been brought into question as an objective enterprise that can produce truth statements.

What say you? Are numbers real? If so, in what way are they real?




Some of them are.

... but some of them are imaginary.
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RE: Are Numbers Real?
(October 15, 2018 at 6:53 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: During a discussion of moral realism in the philosophy subforums, I was reminded that (like ethics) the status of mathematics has been brought into question as an objective enterprise that can produce truth statements.

What say you? Are numbers real? If so, in what way are they real?




Words in general are abstract descriptions of physical things. So this is really a bad argument.

A "Chair" is also an abstract word, describing a REAL object you sit on.

"Uno, and "ichi" and "one" all mean the same thing in different languages. 

But if you have "uno orange" or "ichi orange" or "one orange" you have  concrete observation of the total of that one object. You can also have "uno son" or "ichi daughter" or "one goldfish". The number is an abstract word to describe a finite number of something, and that is real. 

The REAL math humans use to measure everything around us is very real. If it were not, we would not have the science we do today.
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RE: Are Numbers Real?
(October 15, 2018 at 7:12 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: God is every number.

The most important perspective, is that he is One.

But from another perspective, he is Yin/Yang, Sheer Majesty/Sheer Beauty, Compassionate/Wrathful... so in this regard he told Angels "do not take two gods...", but rather they should be seen in that, the division is due limitations of creation and how he relates to us while he is One.

As for why he is 3, it's because he appears at a distance (star), lights the way (moon), and brightens the day (sun), and so the parables of light took on these three forms in holy scriptures.

As for why he is 4,  it's because he is exalted from four different perspectives, four different mountains, and this fills the basis of his right to be worshipped, and if we exalt the chosen ones in those 4 respects or any of them with equality to God, we've lost our way, and this forms the basis of Taqwa.

Four exalting grounds to God, is seeking his pleasure, adorning oneself with his worship, courage should be to the degree we fear no other then Him and fear Him alone, and prefer purity and his pure word over the unclean word, lest we mix our worship with Satan.


This is the foundation of triumph of victory and so the foundations of his religion rest upon it, and God as the foundation of society is four.

And numbers all can account for a title of God and how he relates to creation through it.  

7 is the veils between God and creation. 70 is another expression of that. 70 000 is another. So 7 pertains to how he is veiled.

10 is the walking feet of God and pertains to how he helps us stabilize our feet, we take 1 step, he brings us 10 forward through it.


I think every number, God someway is that, but from a specific parable title.

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RE: Are Numbers Real?
(October 15, 2018 at 7:12 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: God is every number.

The most important perspective, is that he is One.

But from another perspective, he is Yin/Yang, Sheer Majesty/Sheer Beauty, Compassionate/Wrathful... so in this regard he told Angels "do not take two gods...", but rather they should be seen in that, the division is due limitations of creation and how he relates to us while he is One.

As for why he is 3, it's because he appears at a distance (star), lights the way (moon), and brightens the day (sun), and so the parables of light took on these three forms in holy scriptures.

As for why he is 4,  it's because he is exalted from four different perspectives, four different mountains, and this fills the basis of his right to be worshipped, and if we exalt the chosen ones in those 4 respects or any of them with equality to God, we've lost our way, and this forms the basis of Taqwa.

Four exalting grounds to God, is seeking his pleasure, adorning oneself with his worship, courage should be to the degree we fear no other then Him and fear Him alone, and prefer purity and his pure word over the unclean word, lest we mix our worship with Satan.


This is the foundation of triumph of victory and so the foundations of his religion rest upon it, and God as the foundation of society is four.

And numbers all can account for a title of God and how he relates to creation through it.  

7 is the veils between God and creation. 70 is another expression of that. 70 000 is another. So 7 pertains to how he is veiled.

10 is the walking feet of God and pertains to how he helps us stabilize our feet, we take 1 step, he brings us 10 forward through it.


I think every number, God someway is that, but from a specific parable title.

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#8
RE: Are Numbers Real?
Let me poke you in the eye with one finger. Then tell me if my one finger is real! hehe

OK, they're all intangible constructs of the mind ... All numbers are placeholders ...just like in pure maths.
It's the closest objective truth we have in defining our universe.
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#9
RE: Are Numbers Real?
Quote:God is every number.

God is a fucking zero.
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#10
RE: Are Numbers Real?
[Image: icon_quote.jpg]MysticKnight:
God is every number.


The most important perspective, is that he is One.

But from another perspective, he is Yin/Yang, Sheer Majesty/Sheer Beauty, Compassionate/Wrathful... so in this regard he told Angels "do not take two gods...", but rather they should be seen in that, the division is due limitations of creation and how he relates to us while he is One.

As for why he is 3, it's because he appears at a distance (star), lights the way (moon), and brightens the day (sun), and so the parables of light took on these three forms in holy scriptures. 

As for why he is 4, it's because he is exalted from four different perspectives, four different mountains, and this fills the basis of his right to be worshipped, and if we exalt the chosen ones in those 4 respects or any of them with equality to God, we've lost our way, and this forms the basis of Taqwa.

Four exalting grounds to God, is seeking his pleasure, adorning oneself with his worship, courage should be to the degree we fear no other then Him and fear Him alone, and prefer purity and his pure word over the unclean word, lest we mix our worship with Satan.


This is the foundation of triumph of victory and so the foundations of his religion rest upon it, and God as the foundation of society is four.

And numbers all can account for a title of God and how he relates to creation through it. 

7 is the veils between God and creation. 70 is another expression of that. 70 000 is another. So 7 pertains to how he is veiled. 

10 is the walking feet of God and pertains to how he helps us stabilize our feet, we take 1 step, he brings us 10 forward through it.


I think every number, God someway is that, but from a specific parable title.


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