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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 1:50 pm
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(November 17, 2018 at 1:36 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: When magic book shows that it's more magic and less book there might be a "miracle aspects" discussion to be had. The only thing that's miraculous in any of this, thusfar, is that you believe the book is magic in the first place.
Has it done anything recently? Levitate, spin around in circles, whip up a tasty chocolate mousse?
Nah, it just provides him with a lot of, “silent arguments”. On that point he’s correct, lol. 😏
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 1:56 pm
Quote:You have to understand some degree of the Quran
No, I don't. And it seems to have driven you mad which is not a great endorsement for it.
Fuck your god.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 2:05 pm
[6:154] Again, We gave the Book to Moses to complete (Our blessings) on those who would do good (to others), and making plain all things and a guidance and a mercy, so that they should believe in the meeting of their Lord.
One of the guidance of God through revelations is indeed proof of himself and the proof we shall surely meet him.
We will look next at proof of God existing in Quran. Indeed a book that doesn't provide guidance to all confusion, is not a complete and perfect book.
This verse shows that it's possible good people would not believe in meeting God or can be at that point, but that God provides a guidance from Him in a form of a book so that they through it will believe in meeting Him.
Turning aside from it, as the verses follow suggest, is a huge injustice however. That is because moral goodness and seeking guidance have a very close relationship, in that good people seek to act on love, but on wise guidance. The possibility a book is from God with curiosity and truth seeking nature, is something that should be studied.
If people aren't going to allow God to speak of reminders, insights, and proofs of his existence and oneness, and listen to those who misguide instead, they have no one to fully blame but themselves at the end.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 2:06 pm
I don't hear any gods talking about a thing, Mystic...just you.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 2:09 pm
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(November 17, 2018 at 2:05 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: [6:154] Again, We gave the Book to Moses to complete (Our blessings) on those who would do good (to others), and making plain all things and a guidance and a mercy, so that they should believe in the meeting of their Lord.
One of the guidance of God through revelations is indeed proof of himself and the proof we shall surely meet him.
We will look next at proof of God existing in Quran. Indeed a book that doesn't provide guidance to all confusion, is not a complete and perfect book.
This verse shows that it's possible good people would not believe in meeting God or can be at that point, but that God provides a guidance from Him in a form of a book so that they through it will believe in meeting Him.
Turning aside from it, as the verses follow suggest, is a huge injustice however. That is because moral goodness and seeking guidance have a very close relationship, in that good people seek to act on love, but on wise guidance. The possibility a book is from God with curiosity and truth seeking nature, is something that should be studied.
If people aren't going to allow God to speak of reminders, insights, and proofs of his existence and oneness, and listen to those who misguide instead, they have no one to fully blame but themselves at the end. Bible proves Jesus. You must not be reading it right. If you aren’t going to allow yourself to hear the clear proofs of Christ in the Gospels, you have no one to blame but yourself in the end, MK.
What happened to:
‘Okay, okay guys. I get it. I sound like a douche. I get it that I need to provide evidence.’
Where’d that guy go?
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 2:37 pm
Is He then Who upholds regarding every soul as to what it earns? And yet they give associates to God!...(13:33)
[Shakir 90:4] Certainly We have created man to be in distress.
[Shakir 90:5] Does he think that no one has power over him?
[Shakir 90:6] He shall say: I have wasted much wealth.
[Shakir 90:7] Does he think that no one sees him?
[Shakir 41:53] We will soon show them Our signs in the horizons and in their own souls, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things?
This reminds that surely we have someone who perceives us, but as everything other then the absolute perfect being cannot truly see us and judge us exactly as we are, if we are truly not an illusion, then God exists.
In this respect the family of guidance are reported to have emphasized "Who knows themselves, knows their Lord" and the Prophet "Worship God just as if you see Him for you do not see Him surely He sees you" .
We will look at the many verses that emphasize on the moral argument as well.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 2:42 pm
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(November 17, 2018 at 2:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: This reminds that surely we have someone who perceives us, but as everything other then the absolute perfect being cannot truly see us and judge us exactly as we are, if we are truly not an illusion, then God exists. Or maybe we exist, and no one sees us exactly as we are..including ourselves. Other than your preference for one state of affairs over another, nothing explains your conclusion and it does not follow from what preceded it. Fail.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 2:43 pm
We are a perception, an living idea, it's not like a physical thing at all, it requires perception to exist.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 2:45 pm
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More bare assertions, none of which lead rationally to your preferred conclusion. I get it, I get it..you really want for there to be someone or something that sees you, and as you really are, no less.
Oh well?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 2:51 pm
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You traits are psychological, your physical body is just an avatar while the program and spoken idea of who you are is not your body. If something sees our psychological traits exactly as they are, they must be perfect absolute judges of those traits. And if nothing sees it, and nothing can see it but God, then we are an illusion of falsehood pretending to have objective value and measured traits and real spiritual form (I am using spiritual loosely here, not assuming naturalism is false by it but using it the realms of naturalism as well).
Anyways, we've discussed this argument endlessly. It's been clarified and can be summarized in two premises:
If God doesn't exist or see us exactly as we are, we are an illusion.
We aren't an illusion.
Therefore God exists and sees us exactly as we are.
Both those premises leading the conclusion have been argued for thoroughly.
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