It's not religion..believe me. It's something else

[Deesse23]

.........Fuck it!

Atlas first argument

Hell, you know very well that when people fought, it usually is for money or land. Religious wars ended so long ago, and with the "Mongol Invasion" that dropped so many dead, it was obvious that it is not religion that moves nations

My reply: Religion does move nations, even 300 years after the mongols, as evidenced by the 30y war. I also pointed out it was an EUROPEAN war, so replying with a list of biggest global events misses the point.

I also pointed out that a religious motto was embossed on the belt buckles of German soldiers in WWI 700y after the mongols (in reference to your original claim that religion doesnt motivate nations to go to war, particularly not after the mongols. Your reply: a list containing WWI.

I don't think they learned until now. Britain had a long history of wars, either with France or within itself or as a consequence of the imperial expansions. My point is that when you want a war with 30,000,000 casualties, you never go to religion: but you go to the Kuffar -like the Mongols- or the west -WW1 & WW2-. 

Kuffar = unbelievers? What is your fucking point. Sounds like word salad to me, honestly.  Who "wants a war with 30mio casualties? What war? WTF?

I do know that the west has good people in it,

THAT WAS NOT MY FUCKING POINT!!!!!!
My point was, in reply to

AtlasS33 Wrote: Isn't it hilarious, to see a European whining about "Islamic Terrorism"? despite his brethren killing Millions in Japan just a few years ago? I mean if you use something monstrous like atomic bombs; what do you except your enemy to come carrying? flowers???

that you tried to defend killing innocent people (terrorists doing the killing), by claiming that other innocent people got killed (relatives of terrorists) In your case you switched over to the nukes dropped over Japan to illustrate the suffering of the first innocent victims, WHICH STILL DOESNT JUSTIFY KILLIN GOF MORE AND OTHER INNOCENT PEOPLE IN RETURN.
Got it? YOU DONT HAVE TO KISS MY ASS AFFIRMING THAT THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE HERE. THAT.WAS.NOT.MY.FUCKING.POINT

Fucking hell, i have to explain to this guy his own arguments.
*calms down and drops in a valium*

we are speaking about the criminals that hurt western people before they hurt foreigners; they led Europe and America to a world war once, and now they are doing it again (Trump and his likes).

Please let me ask you again: WHATS YOUR FUCKING POINT? Especially when i look at the start of your original post and your ending arguments, i am sorry to say, i dont see a coherent train of thought, just some incoherent rambling about how unfair the west is to your country. WE ALREADY KNOW THIS, BUT WE ALSO KNOW ITS ONLY A LITTLE PART OF THE STORY. How hard is this to get it?

Trump is an ass. We know it. WE REALLY FUCKING DO. We (try to) stop him, but we cant, not as individuals, and our "Rechtsstaat" (being bound by and to law) forbids us to, just revolt for any fucking mundane reason against our government (like for just being a colossal ass like Trump!), and until it is demonstrated that your assertions about Trump are more than just conjecture we have to keep being content.

[Minimalist]

World War 1 was the next huge war, followed by World War 2. and non of them were waged because of religion.

You forgot a few.

[Angrboda]

You're right Atlas, every bad thing ever has been the West.  Muslims have never oppressed or killed other Muslims with the force of an army or government, nope.

No, but this is the time of the west's dominance, and just like they are at the top of the pyramid, we tend to blame them more.

After all the atomic bomb is their invention; not mine.

So, in other words, you're just pointing fingers for the sake of pointing fingers.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you are nothing but a full fledged apologist for Muslim and Arab atrocities, and every post and thread you make simply proves it.

You are a disgusting human being for looking for reasons to excuse such things, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

But if it's anything that hard core Muslims lack...

[Brian37]

Atlass, nobody here thinks we are above it all. 

Do yourself a favor. STOP letting labels, yours or others, get in the way of accepting the fact we are all the same species.

You have often said you hate the government you live under. I have said I was willing to treat you as an individual outside your government.

I DO NOT like all of my country's history. I do not like what we did to Native Americans or blacks or women or Japanese Americans during WW2.

If you point to the west and say we've been cruel, it isn't because every human living in the west is cruel, but because our species can be cruel. 

When that guy threw the shoe at Bush Jr, for example, I completely understood. But I also did not vote for Bush just like you don't like your government.

Try treating humans as individuals. 

Labels do not make an individual automatically only do good, or only do bad. Our species behaviors are not in our labels, but in our evolution. It is still up to individual humans to see others as such.

But it wasn't the mistake of Bush alone. When the invasion of Iraq took place in 2003, Bush and a whole administration had the U.K as an ally, and a whole bunch of Arab governments as allies, and let's not forget the Shiite Iraqies who were the replacement of Saddam Hussein.

The American people didn't move until the economical aftermath broke their back; because of the unjust war and the sectarian disaster the U.S caused in Iraq.

Let's be straight about this: the west stood with the two components that set the Middle East to flames: the Shiites in Iraq, and the Wahhabi Sunnies in Saudi Arabia. The support the U.S gave to these to components was behind their terrible crimes in the region for so long, that if somebody is willing to research what I'm saying.

Where were the American public from this unjust turn of events, caused by their government of choice? the one and only part gaining from the war between Sunnies and Shiites is the western powers, and the missionaries keeping the iron heated.

Even today in 2018, the American public repeats the same action by voting Trump.
It's not a blame game Brian; I do treat everyone as an individual, I don't blame you or label you or judge you. But your labeling of yourself is what I mostly take: you are a human born in the U.S, that doesn't mean you are pro Bush or Trump.

But the last elections show that so many there are not like you. Almost a majority.
And the case of Kashoggi is another evidence

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Seems like it's your own despots doing that to you at present, but okay.

Supported by the west, especially the Republic zionist regime of Trump -which was favored by almost an Evangelical majority and almost an American majority-.

Populism is the new way, they say

I hate the words "Zionist" as much as I do "anti- Semitic"" 

What makes you or anyone think I blindly support Israel?  I DONT, I do not think Israel gets everything right. But just like they are not going to wipe out all Muslims, you are not going to wipe out Israel. Just like neither Christians NOR Muslims are going to rid the world of atheists. 

It still remains that between the east and the west, AND WE ARE BY NO MEANS PERFECT, but between open states and closed states, the west still has more opportunity to correct mistakes and defend minorities. 

I would only agree right now, that the west is seeing a rise in BULLSHIT nationalism, just like the vile garbage Hitler started and used effectively. But please do not think everyone agrees with that sick crap in the west. 

I am not a blind defender of anything.

[The Grand Nudger]

Dont be hasty, Brian.  The anti-semites of the world would like nothing more than to wipe out isreal, and fantasizing about that is basically islams version of baseball. Just a fun, wholesome sport that the entire family can bond over.

[Mystic]

The Illuminati plan to create Israel was to use the warped Islam to cause world war 3, and all their plans are coming about. Jews, Christians, Muslims all being controlled by them.

[Angrboda]

The Illuminati plan to create Israel was to use the warped Islam to cause world war 3, and all their plans are coming about.  Jews, Christians, Muslims all being controlled by them.

What, did you run out of tinfoil hats?

[Mystic]

What does tinfoil hats have to do with that truth?

[Crossless2.0]

What does tinfoil hats have to do with that truth?

Nothing. We're not talking about 'truth'.

But belief that the Illuminati are cleverly pulling the strings to effect wide-ranging international change for whatever nefarious purposes is definitely tinfoil hat territory. Stop that.

[Mystic]

I'll make a thread about it.