Involuntary Sterilization

[onlinebiker]

It brings to mind an accident a guy up the street had - involving a snowmobile and a barbed wire fence...

[Chad32]

I think priests or other holy men should be sterilized as part of their induction. That should solve a lot of problems these places have with child abuse.

I think you might be confusing sterilisation with castration there sport.

Ah yeah. Make it both then.

[mlmooney89]

Is it wrong to say those too stupid to care for their existing children should be stopped from having more?

[Angrboda]

Is it wrong to say those too stupid to care for their existing children should be stopped from having more?

Well, politically incorrect, at the least. Who should decide and by what metric?

[mlmooney89]

Is it wrong to say those too stupid to care for their existing children should be stopped from having more?

Well, politically incorrect, at the least.  Who should decide and by what metric?

Eh it was more of a half serious half dark joke thing. I want them to stop reproducing but yeah it wouldn't be able to be decided without defining the line and that line can get smeared.

[Shell B]

Involuntary or court ordered sterilization is just bad. However, I wouldn't be opposed to encouraging and even funding sterilization for certain people who wanted it. Say a person has a highly heritable, fatal disease and doesn't want to pass it down, but also doesn't have the money to get sterilized, the state could pay for it. It's not incentivizing it, since no one gets paid, but it makes it more approachable for responsible people.

[Rev. Rye]

Rev, it isn't necessarily motivated by eugenics.

As to possible reasons, while I don't agree with it, I think it's a debatable proposition if a person is known to repeatedly engage in behaviors that propose a risk to the health of the child, such as heroine abuse.

Yeah, child abusers, that’s actually a pretty good reason for involuntary sterilization. Because a parent who abuses their children really shouldn’t have bring any more into the world.

[Maketakunai]

Since I support the "right" for people to have abortions, commit suicide, defend themselves and their property with deadly force, Denmark's laws forcing the abortion of Down Syndrome babies, the death penalty, not wearing seat belts, and people fucking/smoking/drinking/drugging themselves into an early grave I think it would be hypocritical to not support forced sterilization...

We're basically talking about denying a future existence based on X for the possibility of a better human life experience. Sterilization is one method of achieving social goals that are in the best interest of the species. I mentioned Denmark earlier which is a fine illustration of how simply stopping the process of child birth can positively affect a population on many different levels. So, how can that happen?

- Less people means more food to go around. More food means less global suffering. Less global suffering means more human flourishing.
- Economic benefits could easily include reducing generational poverty, genetic disease that drains health systems, reduced homelessness, etc.
- It also helps solve many global climate change issues since less people require less "stuff" that needs to be manufactured.
- Making less stuff is better for the environment in which we must live. It pollutes less to make less stuff and less stuff means less garbage poisoning the environment. A better environment also promotes human flourishing.
- Sterilization takes a few generations to reduce a population, but it is actually pretty humane compared to the faster, more efficient method of just lining people up and shooting them. It also scores higher because, once met the policy can be abandoned.

I would gladly support a FAIR system of forced sterilization as long as it could be applied equally among a population and there was no way to get out of it. Unfortunately, that's far too unrealistic to entertain the notion seriously.