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Riding on a Cosmic String
#11
RE: Riding on a Cosmic String
DeistPaladin Wrote:When we look at reality, this is exactly the universe we find. Reality conforms to the model in which Allah is a made up god.

So your argument is that if Allah is made up, then we would expect to find the religion originate at a "specific" place in the world, and that's a baseless statement because you can't prove that. What if Allah is not made up? Isn't it still possible to have the same effects for this situation as the former?

Chuck Wrote:You seem to have no clue what cosmic string is, why it was really theorized, how it is regarded by the physics community in general, the progress towards it's experimental verification, and what are it's other implications, besides some exuberant quotations from a very partial string theory advocate.

I already posted a lot of information on cosmic strings in the original post. Did I say something wrong about them? If I did, then feel free to point out the mistakes and correct me, or you can give your own understanding of cosmic strings and what are the implications of such a thing. Also, if you do some research on google.com (by typing the words "evidence of cosmic strings"), you'll know that there's more evidence for it's existence than against it.

Chuck Wrote:In other words you appreciation for string theory seems to be based on much the same thing as your appreciation of whatever is said in the Koran. So no wonder they appear similar to you.

It's not just because of my appreciation of string theory and the Quran.

I have clearly outlined the similarities in my original post by supporting them with the most current scientific knowledge of cosmic strings.

thesummerqueen Wrote:Islam isn't the only religion to have the concept of a bridge to heaven, either.

True, but in Islam the concept is a little bit different.

thesummerqueen Wrote:And I say that to point out that the concept might equally be due to something in the human psyche as any real relation to a phenom in the cosmos.

If that's the case, then how could something that existed only in the human psyche have so much similarity with the concepts in modern theoretical physics? To me that sounds more like a proof of a divine source.

AtheistPhil Wrote:Do you notice that every word in bold are all macroscopic, common, material concepts located in a 3 dimension space. The scene described here to define the concept of "As-Sirāt" could be easily painted for example.

I'll reply to your comments at a later post when I have more time. No hurry for me. But you did bring up some good points in your post. Smile
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#12
RE: Riding on a Cosmic String
Rayaan Wrote:So your argument is that if Allah is made up, then we would expect to find the religion originate at a "specific" place in the world, and that's a baseless statement because you can't prove that. What if Allah is not made up? Isn't it still possible to have the same effects for this situation as the former?

I can't prove that? I didn't think it was disputed. Islam, as well as Judaism and Christianity, all originated in the same area of the world, the Middle-East. Every single one of the prophets revered in the Koran all came from roughly the same geographic area. Their message spread to the rest of the world only through human efforts. This is exactly what we should expect to find in a model universe where Yahweh-Allah is the creation of human imagination.

If you suggest a model universe where Allah exists and only spoke with prophets in that geographic region, you need to explain why your god likes the people from the Middle-East more than anyone else in the world. Over the course of a little more than a thousand years, he spoke to many prophets but never anyone outside that relatively small area.

Now factor into this alternative model that Allah loves all of his children and wants a universal religion, not one with a "chosen people" as with Judaism. In fact, it's one positive thing about Islam that I can think of is just how inclusive it is. Were I, as a man of European descent, to join Islam, I would be just as much a brother in your religion as one of Arabian descent. Allah's "color-blind" nature is an admirable trait but unfortunately it doesn't square with the model universe you would propose.

Now I'm sure you will say that Allah (1) exists, (2) spoke only to prophets from the Middle-East and (3) doesn't have a chosen people but still (4) focused only on that area of the planet for some reason known only to your god. However, the number of unsubstantiated ad hoc hypotheses necessary to sustain that model runs well past the threshold point where Occam's Razor is invoked. Specifically, the reason it looks like Islam was a human invention is because it's a human invention.
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#13
RE: Riding on a Cosmic String
Rayaan Wrote:In this thread, what I'm about to explain is a well-supported evidence of divine revelation, and thus, proving that there is a greater chance for the existence of a Creator.
The attempt will be as welcome as it is amusing, but none the less, let's address your ideas.

Rayaan Wrote:What the Bridge looks like
I and everyone else can see your quotes and links, so I'll skip them for the purpose of my reply here, though they won't be ignored in further points I make.

Rayaan Wrote:1. They are both strings which are long and narrower than the width of a hair.
Now, having actually read cover-to-cover "the Elegant Universe" and I even recently watched a 90-minute NOVA special describing in detail what string theory is and where it has come from in the grand sceme of science.
That being said, your concept of what string theory is is utter nonsense and appears to be a jumble of out-of-context quote mining.
Here's why:

For starters, the concept of your "straight bridge" or "Bridge of Hell" as I've seen it called, is, as you say, thinner than a human hair and sharper than a knife. It is only visible to Allah, apparently, and it is suspended over hell where paradise (or some version of) awaits at the other end where sinners fall off, the righteous are speeded across like lightning and so on.

The strings of string theory are the smallest things to exist, one dimensional, and vibrate. Some versions of string theory are looped into itself and others have the ends of the string taper off into nothing.

Also, where is this:
Quote:These hooks will snatch the people according to their deeds. Some people will be ruined because of their evil deeds, and some will be cut into pieces and fall down in Hell, but will be saved afterwards, when Allah has finished the judgments among His slaves, and intends to take out of the Fire whoever He wishes to take out from among those who used to testify that none had the right to be worshipped but Allah
...in string theory?
Or hell or anything else in your quotes or otherwise?

Further, strings in string theory are one-dimensional ribbons that are the smallest things to theoretically exist. Some versions of string theory are closed loops whereas others have open-ended loops and others still may include both. They vibrate at differing wavelengths to form pretty much everything.

Cosmic strings are, as stated by wikipedia:
Quote:Cosmic strings are hypothetical 1-dimensional (spatially) topological defects which may have formed during a symmetry breaking phase transition in the early universe when the topology of the vacuum manifold associated to this symmetry breaking is not simply connected. It is expected that at least one string per Hubble volume is formed.

I shouldn't have to mention that neither cosmic strings nor Allah's gate of hell have anything to do with one another, other than being small. Neither are described as having any properties like one another. Also note that neither hell nor paradise are connected or a part of cosmic strings.

All you appear to have done is drawn the most basic of similarities (being called a "string" and being small in relative size) to one another and called it a 'cosmic coincidence of unlikely porportions.

I should also note that you contradict yourself because your religious quote states that the string is only visible to Allah but your cosmic string quote literally states that such a thing should be visible across the night sky.

Rayaan Wrote:2. The bridge will have hooks on the sides. Cosmic strings also has what physicists call “cusps” and “kinks” on them which are sharp and pointed ends on a cosmic string.
This is absolutely nonsense. According to your links, the 'kinks and cusps' of cosmic strings shoot gamma radiation out into space and bend space in a manner that has temporal and space-bendign applications to a civilization capable enough to take advantage of it.
Your bridge of hell has literal hooks and cusps that actually are used to hook and cusp things. The use of those terms are entirely different between your quoted sources.
Your bridge of hell is even supposed to use these for a specific purpose, to which cosmic strings have no such purpose.

Rayaan Wrote:3. Some people will cross the bridge as fast as lightning. Similarly, objects that get attached to a cosmic string can also travel at extremely fast speeds.
If by 'extremely fast' you mean "as quickly as the wink of an eye, some others as quick as lightning, a strong wind, fast horses or she-camels".
Cosmic strings can only transport you anywhere with the aid of yet-undiscovered technology and doesn't transport you across anything or to anywhere specific. As you no doubt know, this is completely different from your religious source material.
Which is to say that transporting something at relativistic speeds isn't 'as quick as the wink of an eye, lightning, or any of the mentioned speeds.

Rayaan Wrote:My Hypothesis

The amazing similarities that I mentioned above strongly indicate that the bridge to Heaven is a cosmic string (although it could be something else, too).
If by something else you mean 'imaginary' then yes.
Your connections are tenuous super-generalizations that breaks apart as soon as you get past the most basic of similarities.
That being that cosmic strings are just like a hooked bridge that you can travel really fast across.
Yes, cosmic strings have no specific destination, they aren't strings so much as a fold in space, they aren't suspended over hell, they do not have an 'over' in which to have hooks suspended, the hooks described in connection with cosmic strings do not do anything like described in your religious text, Allah does not bring is to, help us cross, or have anything to do with crossing a cosmic string, we do not, in fact, cross cosmic strings, when using cosmic strings - we require the technological help of machinery yet invented (assuming that cosmic strings and the means to use them even exist or are possible), and so on.

As such, this is blatently grasping at straws here.
The only semblence of 'divine revelation' here is essentially trying to fit two things together that do not fit together.
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#14
RE: Riding on a Cosmic String
Not to burst your bubble, but so far with respect to string theory, I think that it is on decline with super symmetry. Something about the recent light and heavy ion collisions at the LHC producing 10% more baryons than expected and no detection of micro-blackholes -- one is a positive result that is against string theory's predictions, the other (black holes) was predicted by string theory and failed, so far, what we know as a crucial test.

Either way, string theory right now is very shakey regarding to it's potential validity.

Makes me wonder why you are so desperate as to grab bleeding edge theories of the universe, some which are considered on the decline, and try to link it to your stale book of moths and barbarism.
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#15
RE: Riding on a Cosmic String
AtheistPhil Wrote:Do you notice that every word in bold are all macroscopic, common, material concepts located in a 3 dimension space. The scene described here to define the concept of "As-Sirāt" could be easily painted for example.

Yes, that obviously seems to be true when you look at the words being used to describe the bridge such as "thin," "long," "narrow," "sharp," "hooks," "thorny," etc.

But even a cosmic string is a macroscopic object that exists in a 3-dimensional space. For example, they are often described as being "lines of pure-mass energy," "dense," and "extremely thin," and they can also be detected by their gravitational effects on distant galaxies. In one article, I read that cosmic strings are like lines of pure mass-energy "stretching across the entire universe" (article). This means that a cosmic string is a classical macroscopic object. And that implies that it is located in a 3-dimensional space.

The strings in string theory, which are called superstrings, are quantum objects, while a cosmic string on the other hand is a classical object. I can provide a link to this if you want to see it.

AtheistPhil Wrote:On the other hand, we have here a hypothetical "object" based on mathematical concepts, and impossible to paint.

Cosmic strings are based on mathematical concepts indeed, but they also have a physical structure as well (if they exist). There's no need to paint anything, AP.

AtheistPhil Wrote:This seems in contradiction with the definition on wikipedia...

No, in the second paragraph in wikipedia, it says:

"Cosmic strings, if they exist, would be extremely thin with diameters of the same order of magnitude as that of a proton, i.e. ~ 1 fm, or smaller."

AtheistPhil Wrote:1. cosmic strings are 1-dimensional...so no width....

That is a misunderstanding because cosmic strings are only studied as 1-dimensional objects, but actually, they are 2-dimensional worldsheets which have a length and a width, but no height. The only reason that their width is ignored is because it is way too small to be even counted in the mathematical models, but they do have a tiny (non-zero) width as I mentioned above in the underlined words. Here's what it says in the wikipedia article:

"Cosmic strings, if they exist, would be extremely thin with diameters of the same order of magnitude as that of a proton, i.e. ~ 1 fm, or smaller. Given that this scale is much smaller than any cosmological scale these strings are often studied in the zero width, or Nambu-Goto approximation. Under this assumption strings behave as one-dimensional objects and obey the Nambu-Goto action, which is classically equivalent to the Polyakov action that defines the bosonic sector of superstring theory."

This means that a cosmic string can be accurately modeled by a one-dimensional object since the width of the string is basically counted as negligible.

AtheistPhil Wrote:2.cusp: In the mathematical theory of singularities a cusp is a type of singular point of a curve. Cusps are local singularities in that they are not formed by self intersection points of the curve. hook: curved piece of metal or other material by which things are hung or attached.

Yes, that's the right definition of a cusp.

But they also have a small-scale structure with a range of possible shapes, not just a singular point on a curve. See an article titled "Cosmic string cusps with small-scale structure: Their forms and gravitational waveforms." Also, the idea that there are such "curves" on a cosmic string is in correspondence with the Islamic belief that there will be "hooks" on the bridge as mentioned in the quotes in my original post.

AtheistPhil Wrote:3.Where exactly did you justify that "objects that get attached to a cosmic string can also travel at extremely fast speeds." ?

It's already in my original post in bold letters. I'll quote it here once again:

"Objects attached to a cosmic string could travel at incredible speeds, and because their gravitational force distorts spacetime, they could be used for time travel" (article).

AtheistPhil Wrote:And knowing that cosmic strings are 1 dimensional I have doubts about "conventional 3-dimensional objects" traveling on those, and I'm not even talking about humans...

I have just explained to you that cosmic strings are not 1-dimensional since they have a very small thickness which is equal to the diameter of a proton or smaller.

Secondly, I mentioned in my original post that a physicist named Richard Gott has proposed a theoretical method of "using" cosmic strings to make a time machine by going around them with a spaceship. I'm aware of the fact that this is only theoretical and almost impossible to build with our current technology. But at least, his theory supports the idea that travelling on a cosmic string by 3-dimensional beings is not impossible if such an object was to come to us naturally (by some kind of a miracle) as opposed to going to a cosmic string by ourselves.

AtheistPhil Wrote:Cosmic strings aren't described as actual strings, it's named "strings" to be easily imagined in one's mind, but these "objects" are conceptually as far away as possible from the macroscopic 3-dimensional concepts of "bridge", "chair", "car",etc...

And this could be the same application for the As-Sirat bridge. The bridge is not an actual, ordinary bridge that we think of. It is a bridge that is thinner than a hair and sharper than sword. This is what makes the bridge so different from an ordinary 3-dimensional bridge. Allah only told us that this is a "bridge" to be easily imagined in one's mind, just like a cosmic string is described as a "string" so that it can be easily imagined in one's mind. Smile

TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:That being said, your concept of what string theory is is utter nonsense and appears to be a jumble of out-of-context quote mining.

I'm not talking about string theory. The topic is about cosmic strings.

The strings in string theory (which are called superstrings) and a cosmic string are two different things entirely (even though there's a relation between them).

TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:The strings of string theory are the smallest things to exist, one dimensional, and vibrate. Some versions of string theory are looped into itself and others have the ends of the string taper off into nothing.

I know that already. But the strings in string theory and a cosmic string are not the same thing. See THIS.

TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:Further, strings in string theory are one-dimensional ribbons that are the smallest things to theoretically exist. Some versions of string theory are closed loops whereas others have open-ended loops and others still may include both. They vibrate at differing wavelengths to form pretty much everything.

Again, the topic is not about the strings in string theory. You are talking about superstrings whereas I'm talking about a cosmic string. Smile

TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:I should also note that you contradict yourself because your religious quote states that the string is only visible to Allah but your cosmic string quote literally states that such a thing should be visible across the night sky.

That's wrong, because the religious quotes do no say that the bridge is only visible to Allah. Rather, the second hadith which I quoted (and made it bold) says that only the size of the hooks is known to Allah. But I didn't across anything which says that the bridge cannot be seen by the others. If you did, then just point out the exact quote or sentence in my original post which supports that.

TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:This is absolutely nonsense. According to your links, the 'kinks and cusps' of cosmic strings shoot gamma radiation out into space and bend space in a manner that has temporal and space-bendign applications to a civilization capable enough to take advantage of it.

A cusp on a cosmic string does emit gamma radiation which I quoted before: "As cosmic strings oscillate, certain fast-moving parts of them called 'cusps' should produce narrow, well-directed beams of gamma rays that could give an observer crossing their path the effect of sharp bursts." Also, the space-bending properties of a cosmic string are created by the enormous density which causes the space-time to be warped around them (like that of a black hole).

I'm not exactly sure how a civilization will be able to take advantage of a cosmic string, though. I think that only God will bring such a thing closer to us in the future when the time comes.

TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:Your bridge of hell has literal hooks and cusps that actually are used to hook and cusp things. The use of those terms are entirely different between your quoted sources.

That can't be known because the "hooks" on the bridge could be literal objects to the same extent as the "cusps" on a cosmic string are. Why? Because during the Prophet's time, there were no such scientific terms such as "cusps" and "cosmic strings" in the Arabic language. Therefore, God revealed it to him by using simpler words and in a way that people can understand him, and yet, what is amazing is that these words are very much analogous to the hook-like structures on a cosmic string.

The Prophet even said that the bridge is thinner than a hair. Of course, he couldn't have said that the bridge is "thinner than the nucleus of atom" since such words didn't even exist during time, hence the words "thinner than a hair" are used in the Islamic narrations. And there is no contradiction.

Also, we are told that the bridge will be sharper than a sword. This means that the bridge has a characteristic of sharpness to it. What about a cosmic string then? Well, after looking at some articles on cosmic strings, I learned that they behave like a powerful superconductor, which means that that they posses a large amount of electric current. See this article. And in that sense, my idea is that the terms "sharpness" (of the bridge) and "electric currents" (of a cosmic string) could be viewed as pretty much analogous to each other because both will give us a feeling of pain or being scratched as by cutting into our skin.

TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:Your bridge of hell is even supposed to use these for a specific purpose, to which cosmic strings have no such purpose.

Cosmic strings could theoretically enable information to move from one place to another. They could even transport us into a higher-dimensional brane (where Heaven might exist). So, this could be one of the purposes of a cosmic string since it acts like a "bridge" that leads to a different place. Nobody knows for sure where it may lead us, though, but according to my theory that the bridge called "As-Sirat" is a type of cosmic string it would serve as narrow pathway to a different reality which is more beautiful than the universe, which is Heaven.

TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:Cosmic strings can only transport you anywhere with the aid of yet-undiscovered technology and doesn't transport you across anything or to anywhere specific. As you no doubt know, this is completely different from your religious source material.

The bridge that I'm talking about will transport us to Heaven (according to the Islamic belief), whereas a cosmic string could also transport us to a different place, with the only difference being that nobody knows if a cosmic string is connected to Heaven or not. However, since there are already so many similarities between the bridge and a cosmic string, it is more likely that the bridge is a cosmic string than anything else, and if this is true, then it should also follow that a cosmic string can act like a bridge to Heaven since the two objects (the bridge and a cosmic string) are very possibly one and the same thing. Smile

TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:Which is to say that transporting something at relativistic speeds isn't as quick as the wink of an eye, lightning, or any of the mentioned speeds.

In my original post, I have already provided the quotes and links which say that an object attached to a cosmic string could travel at an incredible speed (and even allow time travel) and this idea matches with the hadith which says that some of the believers will cross the bridge as fast as "lightning" or like the "wink of an eye" or like a "strong wind," etc. There is no contradiction.

TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:If by something else you mean 'imaginary' then yes.

No, most likely the bridge is not imaginary because I have supported this with several different reasons (by making connections to it with a cosmic string).

TheDarkestOfAngels Wrote:Your connections are tenuous super-generalizations that breaks apart as soon as you get past the most basic of similarities.

Super-generalizations? Maybe not, but let's take a look at the connections once again (as well as two more which I added below):

1. They are both strings which are long and narrower than the width of a hair.
2. The bridge will have hooks on the sides. Cosmic strings also has what physicists call "cusps" and "kinks" on them which are sharp and pointed ends on a cosmic string.
3. Some people will cross the bridge as fast as lightning. Similarly, objects that get attached to a cosmic string can also travel at extremely fast speeds.
4. The bridge will be very sharp whereas a cosmic string can emit powerful electric currents. In this manner, both of the objects can cause us to get scratched on our skin and bodies.
5. The hooks on the bridge are able to "snatch" people according to their deeds, which means that they can move on the bridge, while the tip of a cosmic string cusp moves at the speed of light.
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#16
RE: Riding on a Cosmic String
Rayaan Wrote:I'm not talking about string theory. The topic is about cosmic strings.

The strings in string theory (which are called superstrings) and a cosmic string are two different things entirely (even though there's a relation between them).
Good god. I'm aware of the difference between cosmic strings and the strings of string theory.
Two things:
1) I don't know if you know this but cosmic strings are in string theory. In fact, it's where they're theorized to exist - ergo that model of the universe and cosmic strings are related.
2) I mentioned all this for a reason. That reason being to connect the two for the above reason.

Rayaan Wrote:A cusp on a cosmic string does emit gamma radiation which I quoted before: "As cosmic strings oscillate, certain fast-moving parts of them called 'cusps' should produce narrow, well-directed beams of gamma rays that could give an observer crossing their path the effect of sharp bursts." Also, the space-bending properties of a cosmic string are created by the enormous density which causes the space-time to be warped around them (like that of a black hole).
... yeah, about that...
Wikipedia: Cosmic Strings Wrote:The violent oscillations of cosmic strings generically lead to the formation of cusps and kinks. These in turn cause parts of the string to pinch off into isolated loops. These loops have a finite lifespan and decay (primarily) via gravitational radiation. This radiation which leads to the strongest signal from cosmic strings may in turn be detectable in gravitational wave experiments, such as LIGO and LISA. An important open question is to what extent do the pinched off loops backreact or change the initial state of the emitting cosmic string—such backreaction effects are almost always neglected in computations and are known to be important, even for order of magnitude estimates.
These strings don't simply have cusps/kinks - they form because of the string's oscillations and as a result severely deform the entire string. Those have a finite lifespan.

... but yes. People an observer will certainly notice the sharp bursts of gamma radiation, which has nothing to do with anything in regard to the religious connotions. You're grasping at straws here.

Rayaan Wrote:I'm not exactly sure how a civilization will be able to take advantage of a cosmic string, though. I think that only God will bring such a thing closer to us in the future when the time comes.
It has numerous properties that can be taken advantage of by an advanced civilization. If these strings exist, I'm far more certain we'll be able to take advantage of it than your fantasy coming true.

Rayaan Wrote:That can't be known because the "hooks" on the bridge could be literal objects to the same extent as the "cusps" on a cosmic string are. Why? Because during the Prophet's time, there were no such scientific terms such as "cusps" and "cosmic strings" in the Arabic language. Therefore, God revealed it to him by using simpler words and in a way that people can understand him, and yet, what is amazing is that these words are very much analogous to the hook-like structures on a cosmic string.
Only in the most general sense of the terms. Even so, neither of these things act like one another, are used like one another, or have properties like one another.
Aside from a similar name to describe their shape, there's nothing similar between them in any significant manner.

Rayaan Wrote:The Prophet even said that the bridge is thinner than a hair. Of course, he couldn't have said that the bridge is "thinner than the nucleus of atom" since such words didn't even exist during time, hence the words "thinner than a hair" are used in the Islamic narrations. And there is no contradiction.
So instead of making a description that would allow the listener to understand what the object actually was, the allmighty used general descriptive terms that are unlike a cosmic string in any way except in the vaguest and most general terms imaginable?
Not to mention that the Bridge has properties about it completely unlike a cosmic string (the ability to actually use the hooks for hooking, which supposedly appear to be similar to the hooks of a particular tree, according to your quotes.
Bull, I say.

Rayaan Wrote:Also, we are told that the bridge will be sharper than a sword. This means that the bridge has a characteristic of sharpness to it. What about a cosmic string then? Well, after looking at some articles on cosmic strings, I learned that they behave like a powerful superconductor, which means that that they posses a large amount of electric current. See this article. And in that sense, my idea is that the terms "sharpness" (of the bridge) and "electric currents" (of a cosmic string) could be viewed as pretty much analogous to each other because both will give us a feeling of pain or being scratched as by cutting into our skin.
The string has the characteristics of a proton-thick stringed-out black hole under certain conditions.

Wikipedia Wrote:A cosmic string about a kilometer in length may be more massive than the Earth. However general relativity predicts that the gravitational potential of a straight string vanishes: there is no gravitational force on static surrounding matter. The only gravitational effect of a straight cosmic string is a relative deflection of matter (or light) passing the string on opposite sides (a purely topological effect). A closed cosmic string gravitates in a more conventional way.

That is really interested and something I didn't know until just now. Either the string has enormous gravitational pull (from being looped) or zero gravitational effect on surrounding matter except in the manner in which light is bent around it.
Neither of those things is coincidental with your ideas.

Rayaan Wrote:Cosmic strings could theoretically enable information to move from one place to another. They could even transport us into a higher-dimensional brane (where Heaven might exist). So, this could be one of the purposes of a cosmic string since it acts like a "bridge" that leads to a different place. Nobody knows for sure where it may lead us, though, but according to my theory that the bridge called "As-Sirat" is a type of cosmic string it would serve as narrow pathway to a different reality which is more beautiful than the universe, which is Heaven.
Anything that allows the movement of energy can 'transmit information.' Even black holes do this, even though that transmission goes exactly one way for a long, long time.
Let me know when you come up with a way that makes C-strings different from other forms of informaiton transmission.
... or if you find ANY evidence of "hey could even transport us into a higher-dimensional brane" or a purpose for them as defined by whatever created them.

Rayaan Wrote:The bridge that I'm talking about will transport us to Heaven (according to the Islamic belief), whereas a cosmic string could also transport us to a different place, with the only difference being that nobody knows if a cosmic string is connected to Heaven or not.
... right. Let me know if you find any evidence of C-strings being able to transport anyone to any paralell dimension.
The theory from which they were spawned in no way describe them as portals to another brane..

Rayaan Wrote:However, since there are already so many similarities between the bridge and a cosmic string, it is more likely that the bridge is a cosmic string than anything else, and if this is true, then it should also follow that a cosmic string can act like a bridge to Heaven since the two objects (the bridge and a cosmic string) are very possibly one and the same thing. Smile
These are fictitious similarities created by a biased imagination with no evidence or even theory to back *anything* up.

Rayaan Wrote:In my original post, I have already provided the quotes and links which say that an object attached to a cosmic string could travel at an incredible speed (and even allow time travel) and this idea matches with the hadith which says that some of the believers will cross the bridge as fast as "lightning" or like the "wink of an eye" or like a "strong wind," etc. There is no contradiction.
There is a contradiction because the manner you described required as-of-yet undiscovered technology across a bridge not at all described in your religious texts to be in space or nearly large enough for this to work. The speeds described are far too slow to produce any of the super-speeds described in the theoretical ways in which this string could be used for faster-than-light or time-travel related purposes.
Further, the manner to which the bridge and the C-string are used are ENTIRELY different. The bridge is literally stated to be used like a bridge that happens to be very thin that can also hook sinners to it and fling them to hell when they've sinned too much for the almighty.
C-Strings are NOTHING like that. You can easily state the opposite all you want, but all you're doing is grossly generalizing so much that you're fitting together two puzzle pieces that don't fit together at all by cutting off the sides until they're both square enough to fit.

Rayaan Wrote:No, most likely the bridge is not imaginary because I have supported this with several different reasons (by making connections to it with a cosmic string).
I know. These connections are clearly flawed.

Rayaan Wrote:1. They are both strings which are long and narrower than the width of a hair.
One is a one-dimensional filiment that exists in the vacuum of space that is either nothing but a topological oddity in the shape of the universe or a very thin and long black hole (or similarly dense object) during certain finite conditions.
The other is a goddamned string that acts as a bridge to heaven. A literal bridge that can be crossed and fallen off of.

They are clearly not the same except for the fact that they're both long and thin.

Rayaan Wrote:2. The bridge will have hooks on the sides. Cosmic strings also has what physicists call "cusps" and "kinks" on them which are sharp and pointed ends on a cosmic string.
The bridge has literal hooks that attatch to the chosen in regards to their earthly deeds that resemble the hooks of a particular plant I never heard of before.
The Cosmic String has end-points called cusps that whips out radiation as it oscillates.
The best you could could come up with in regards to their similarity is that they have a name defined as being similar between cusps and hooks.

Rayaan Wrote:3. Some people will cross the bridge as fast as lightning. Similarly, objects that get attached to a cosmic string can also travel at extremely fast speeds.
People with goodness in their hearts can be whipped across the hair-thin bridge like lightning.
A civilization with an advanced understanding of cosmic strings and the technical advantage of beign able to use the string for beneficial purposes (or magic, if god does this instead**) to jet across certain points in the universe at faster-than-light speeds or backward time travel.
Inidividuals crossing the bridge not only literally cross a bridge but do so suspended over hell to get to paradise at a defined speed several orders of magnitude below FTL speeds and no mention at all of time travel. Not to mention the fact that physical contact with the bridge, hooks, or other parts is required for this.
Note that C-strings are always super-dense and thus cannot be touched by anything wishing to make it anywhere for the same reason you never touch a black hole.

**=though if god could just magic someone across according to their deeds, then the entire idea of a bridge with described properties seems entirely pointless.

Rayaan Wrote:4. The bridge will be very sharp whereas a cosmic string can emit powerful electric currents. In this manner, both of the objects can cause us to get scratched on our skin and bodies.
No, the bridge will scratch you. The C-string will erase you from existance by sucking up all of your atoms into itself. HUGE difference.

Rayaan Wrote:5. The hooks on the bridge are able to "snatch" people according to their deeds, which means that they can move on the bridge, while the tip of a cosmic string cusp moves at the speed of light.
Those things have nothing to do with one another!

Your arguements are getting weaker. Either concede this point or don't but you don't have a leg to stand on, as I've easily demonstrated.
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RE: Riding on a Cosmic String
I'm going to make this a short reply because I'm just doing this to bump it again for more people to read this.

The main disagreements from you, from what I've been reading, are that:

(1) The hooks on the bridge are literal hooks which are used for hooking people on the bridge whereas this is nothing similar to the cusps and kinks on a cosmic string because they only emit bursts of radiation and cannot be used for hooking or scratching us, (2) There is Hell under the bridge and this is different from cosmic string because there is no Hell under a cosmic string, (3) The bridge is connected to Heaven and this is different from a cosmic string because we don't know if cosmic strings are connected to a higher-dimensional universe or anywhere specific like Heaven, and (4) It's not possible to travel on a cosmic string because we will get sucked into it by it's incredible gravity in a similar way as it would happen to us if we went close to a gigantic black hole.

Other than that, you agree that both the bridge and a cosmic string are extremely long and thin.

Nevertheless, I still think it is quite unlikely that someone could predict such an object (by making up the whole thing) and get the two things to match together, just by coincidence. Muhammad said that the bridge is not only very thin, but that it also has "hooks" on it, which I believe is comparable to the idea that a cosmic string can have "kinks' on it. And as I mentioned earlier, the scientific words "kinks' and "cusps" didn't exist during that time and I think that's why the word "hook" was being used to describe the bridge, in Arabic, to make it easier for people to visualize the bridge.
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RE: Riding on a Cosmic String
Wow... the internet has failed me. I was going to post a picture of someone riding on a cosmic string... but I could not find one.

And the sad thing is that anything remotely close is pornographic Heart I love humanity Heart

Sorry that it ended up not being a very interesting post... but I just couldn't not express my great disappointment Undecided
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Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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RE: Riding on a Cosmic String
(June 5, 2011 at 4:57 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Wow... the internet has failed me. I was going to post a picture of someone riding on a cosmic string... but I could not find one.

You won't find it on the internet, because this is my own idea, and it's an original one. But you'll find this topic in two other forums as well if you google it. Smile

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RE: Riding on a Cosmic String
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifr%C3%B6st

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Serpent

And that is just two STORIES from opposite ends of the planet. Now I would expect that the whole story in the Koran is based more on the Nordic tales than any thing else.

Sorry rayaan...your prophet is a rampant plagiarist
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