On the subject of Hell and Salvation

[possibletarian]

[MilesAbbott81]

[fredd bear]

[possibletarian]

[MilesAbbott81]

So no proof at all (that you care to share) that Dinos' lived a few thousand years ago ?

You asked for reason, not proof. And actually, I'd say that the extant tissue of dinosaurs is proof enough. No one knows how it survived millions of years; do you?

Even Job is referring to a mythical beast,  doesn't the bible also mention Unicorns, Locusts (like Horses) , The Leviathan  (Creature with multiple heads that Yahweh battled for control of the sea), A lion with eagle wings,  leopard-like creature with four wings and four heads.. we could of course go on.
But surely T-rex and the enormous Dino's would at least deserve a mention, especially as remains are found all over the earth.

If you don't know what you're talking about, it would be best if you not comment at all. Leviathan and Behemoth are simply names of creatures that seem to resemble dinosaurs. They are not treated as mythical creatures in the story. Neither did Yahweh battle Leviathan for control of the sea. Where did you come up with this stuff? Ever actually read the Bible? If you had, you'd understand that the creatures with mixed features appeared in visions, obviously intended as metaphorical and not to represent actual animals.

As for unicorns, seems to be an incorrect translation of the original Hebrew word. Could mean many things, I'm not claiming to know but you're obviously not a source that can be trusted.

That is not the only way things are dated though, something you would know if you actually decided to educate yourself. Can you show me where the claim that it is not considered accurate by leaders in the field is ?

Who are you to determine who "leaders in the field" are? Are you a geologist? What is your expertise? And sure, I can point to people at the Institute for Creation Research who are experts in all kinds of disciplines, doctorates and all. How do you know they're not leaders in their fields?

The truth is that creation scientists are maligned and ridiculed constantly, and it actually takes a lot of courage to stand up and speak against the status quo. They do it because they have good reason, and at the very least you should be able to acknowledge that their claims have credibility.

You mean the site that has this in it's 'what we believe' section..

Facts are always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information. By definition, therefore, no interpretation of facts in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record.

Yes then clearly a great site to go to to be educated on science

That is why it's a statement of belief. They're actually speaking from a point of humility that you and others here would do well to try and emulate. We know very little, have proven time and time again how little we know, and therefore it makes much sense to trust the Word of God above specious theories like evolution.

Even your article is just a news story about a find, and does not make the same claims as you.

The find speaks for itself.

You mentioned it first there is absolutely no mention of 'flesh on the bone'

Semantics. By flesh I mean "tissue." You're being deliberately, or at least very obviously, obtuse.

I'm not claiming i do know, you are, I'm saying they have no way of knowing, but that the common though by leading archaeologists, is that Yahweh was at best a subordinate god to El.  And I even offered scripture to you, but of course you simply ignored it, which by the way I approve of scripture clearly is not the place for truth.

No, that's what I was saying. Here is what you said: "You really need to get out of your head that you can simply assert things, all evidence points to the Yahweh myth being a minor god and a subordinate to El."

To which I replied: "I didn't assert anything, I'm actually pointing out that your assertions are unfounded because there is no definitive proof that one came before the other."

Honestly, how damned stupid can you get? You don't even know what your own argument is!

And, to differ is good, but either way does not lead to your clear assertion that Yahweh was the first god mentioned in archaeology, and it is evidence that people disagree in black and white, you just said so yourself.  Therefore to make the assertion you are in your own words is clearly silly.

I never asserted anything of the sort. Show me where I did.

[Peebothuhlu]

Ah... I see we're now at the 'Pin jelly to the wall' phase of MileAbbot81's ineractions.

Mile's make a post.

People reply.

Mile's then scoffs and/or complains that people didn't understand... Or misrepresented... Or are trying to twist Mile's words.

People respond to that.

Mile's then scoffs and/or complains that people didn't understand... Or misrepresented... Or are trying to twist Mile's words.

Lets see how many rounds the rodeo goes.




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[Drich]

Your theory is a stretch at best, if I'm to put myself in the shoes of someone unsure of the truth.

glob you didn't take the time to try and understand it either...

There is no need to try to apologize for the traditional creationist viewpoint. Attempting to do so will only make you look stupid and empower those who think they're right. Genesis says 7 days and it means 7 days.

again the whole point to this theory is to allow a literal 7 days at the beginning of the evolutionary period. Again I simply take away the artificial time lines.. must of missed that bit when you trashed everything 'appologized'

Those opposing the creationist viewpoint have impossible hurdles to clear, not the least of which is the origin of matter, which they are no closer to explaining now than they were thousands of years ago.

again simply by removing time lines we can account for the creation of matter through whatever scientific process says it was created.. Simply by inserting a gap that is ascribed to one day.. For instance genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth and the earth with without form and void.

Now most people read all of that as day one,but nothing says all of that is day one. It says in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Meaning before the seven days (in the very beginning of the cosmos God created the heavens and earth all in one go.. kind like Bang and everything simply was...) Now insert Gap or seperate "in the beginning" with everything that happens on the first day. Remember there was no verse or chapter denotation meaning there was no urgency to tie everything up in to a neatly separated chapter.

So in the beginning God created the heaven and earth (big bang.) then on the first day of the creation of the earth he created light or brought light to this world/cleared the skys. Nothing in the bible changes just how you understand it to read.

Add to that the laws of thermodynamics, the conservation of angular momentum, the mathematically insane theory of evolution, and so many other things, they don't have a leg to stand on. Stop playing their game.

again it's not their game sport. What we do is assimlate the whole of science into creation. Meaning anything they come up with now gets to be apart of the seven days.

Riddle me this, what has opposing science done for the church? who is winning this battle truthfully.
In earnest the church is loosing this battle simply because people want to pass their college courses and get a job they don't have to sweat at to get paid..

Why not try something that works with both?what does the church loose besides a dark age traditional comprehension of God? Nothing in the bible changes again we only show how the bible wording allows for anything science says you need to accept in order for you to earn your degree. Why would you or anyone else be opposed to someone whocan assimilate everything science has to say and not change a word in their faiths? Again this is not a compromise, this is an assimilation. this is no different when the catholic church assimilated the winter solstice celebrations and gave us christmas trees yule logs and mistletoe, or halloween or easter EGGs and rabbits. now people have their pagan holidays and our God gets the glory!

[possibletarian]

[MilesAbbott81]

glob you didn't take the time to try and understand it either...

You're right. I dismissed it once I realized it was apologist. I shouldn't have done that.

I've tried to understand your theory, but it's frustrating because it seems very convoluted. There is no reason to think that the "man" created on day 6 was outside the garden, and no reason to believe that chapter two happened before day 6. No reason at all. You're reading into it somehow, which I really don't get because it's all pretty clearly laid out. By the way, if God wanted one day to equal billions of years and the other six just be one day (if I'm hearing you correctly), He surely would've made a distinction, don't you think?

The Bible is not a complicated book, you're making it complicated because you're trying to fit a false narrative. You are apologizing unnecessarily.

again it's not their game sport. What we do is assimlate the whole of science into creation. Meaning anything they come up with now gets to be apart of the seven days.

Riddle me this, what has opposing science done for the church? who is winning this battle truthfully.
In earnest the church is loosing this battle simply because people want to pass their college courses and get a job they don't have to sweat at to get paid..

Why not try something that works with both?what does the church loose besides a dark age traditional comprehension of God? Nothing in the bible changes again we only show how the bible wording allows for anything science says you need to accept in order for you to earn your degree. Why would you or anyone else be opposed to someone whocan assimilate everything science has to say and not change a word in their faiths? Again this is not a compromise, this is an assimilation. this is no different when the catholic church assimilated the winter solstice celebrations and gave us christmas trees yule logs and mistletoe, or halloween or easter EGGs and rabbits. now people have their pagan holidays and our God gets the glory!

There probably is a "scientific" explanation for everything, at least everything that explains creationism so long as you exclude the creation of matter, which had to have been a supernatural feat. There is no other way to explain that, PERIOD.

The Lord hates unwarranted, incompatible mixture, Drich. Assimilating foolish doctrine like the Big Bang and evolution with Genesis is the same unacceptable behavior that has wrought destruction on so many occasions in the Bible.

The catholic church assimilating pagan holidays didn't give glory to God, and neither do those celebrations today. Christmas and Easter are vile holidays, and the Lord hates them. There is no compromise allowed, no assimilation allowed, EVER.

[possibletarian]

There probably is a "scientific" explanation for everything, at least everything that explains creationism so long as you exclude the creation of matter, which had to have been a supernatural feat. There is no other way to explain that, PERIOD.

How do you know this ? Why do you assume it was created ?