Another Gun Thread

[Amarok]

I think your thinking of yourself

Holy shit.

I've been insulted by a 6 year old.


How shall I ever recover?

I was just lower my insults to a level you could comprehend

[onlinebiker]

That' s moronic.

9mm is an old, (over 100 years) underpowered cartridge. It's use by military is mainly due to one factor - availability.

It is suitable for self defense use because it' s compact - and doesn't require a massive frame to handle the pressures involved.

But " military grade"?

Sure, but what do you think of the rules to get a gun here? I am no enthusiast, so to me they are pointless.

Not sell to criminals? Good idea - make it easy for the law abiding to spot them.

Psych evals? A waste of time and money. Not selling guns to psychos? Great. Again - make it easy for the same people to spot them.

[CDF47]

I disagree for the reasons I previously posted.

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Stay away from our assault weapons. 

By the way, nearly everyone has anxiety to some extent.  It is part of our design.  

I totally disagree with many of the new proposed regulations you make.

Hey buttwipe, the INVENTOR of the Ar-15 said he never intended on it being used for civilian use. THE FUCKING INVENTOR!

You want a weapon of war, fucking serve. But I don't want my neighborhood turned into a fucking battlefield. We are not landing on the beaches of Normandy.

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It's not about keeping toys.

You are correct, it is not about keeping toys. However, IT IS ABOUT MONEY! The makers of firearms are like any CEO, their job is to keep their market and expand their market and keep and gain shareholders.  This isn't about rights for the CEOs of these companies, it is about MARKETING!

The makers are pulling the same fear mongering bullshit car companies did when Nadar told them their products suck. But funny that, regulations have made cars safer. But big oil is also selling fear too, trying to avoid the fact that burning fossil fuels is causing global warming.

MARKETING, not rights, but selling fear to people like you so they can keep their profit margins up.

"Consider your man card issued" isn't about rights, it is marketing a fantasy implying the mere ownership of a firearm will magically turn you into Rambo.

^^^^^ That is marketing a serious tool as if it were merely a toy. Firearms are not toys and should not be marketed as if they were.

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Firearms have no magic powers, and more often than not, the user is far more likely to hurt themselves or someone they are familiar with than they would successfully use it against a complete stranger.

It has everything to do with the 2nd amendment right.  Of course companies are trying to make money and there is some fear mongering but in the end they won't get our guns anyway.  It is a concern of mine but I don't see it happening.  There would be a war in this country if they came for the guns.  Many people are too smart for that.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Perhaps a "gun" patch they have to wear to help with the ID.

[CDF47]

[Jackie]

Hey buttwipe, the INVENTOR of the Ar-15 said he never intended on it being used for civilian use. THE FUCKING INVENTOR!

You want a weapon of war, fucking serve. But I don't want my neighborhood turned into a fucking battlefield. We are not landing on the beaches of Normandy.

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You are correct, it is not about keeping toys. However, IT IS ABOUT MONEY! The makers of firearms are like any CEO, their job is to keep their market and expand their market and keep and gain shareholders.  This isn't about rights for the CEOs of these companies, it is about MARKETING!

The makers are pulling the same fear mongering bullshit car companies did when Nadar told them their products suck. But funny that, regulations have made cars safer. But big oil is also selling fear too, trying to avoid the fact that burning fossil fuels is causing global warming.

MARKETING, not rights, but selling fear to people like you so they can keep their profit margins up.

"Consider your man card issued" isn't about rights, it is marketing a fantasy implying the mere ownership of a firearm will magically turn you into Rambo.

^^^^^ That is marketing a serious tool as if it were merely a toy. Firearms are not toys and should not be marketed as if they were.

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Firearms have no magic powers, and more often than not, the user is far more likely to hurt themselves or someone they are familiar with than they would successfully use it against a complete stranger.

It has everything to do with the 2nd amendment right.  Of course companies are trying to make money and there is some fear mongering but in the end they won't get our guns anyway.  It is a concern of mine but I don't see it happening.  There would be a war in this country if they came for the guns.  Many people are too smart for that.

Firearms ARE NOT LIVING HUMANS DUMBASS!

Humans have rights, objects do not have rights. I am sorry someone scared the shit out of you and painted safety advocates as evil. We are not evil for pointing out the vile marking of the makers using fear to pit you against me. GROW THE FUCK UP. Nobody wants a war asshole. 

You remember this bullshit the next time a school, or bar, or business office gets shot up.

Prevention is not oppression.

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Australia is not a dictatorship. NZ is not a dictatorship. Japan is not a dictatorship. Canada is not a dictatorship. England is not a dictatorship. They are all our allies and also free and open pluralistic societies. If they can do it, we can too.

[Aegon]

Lately I've been thinking about how societies deal with inevitability. By "inevitability," I mean something that people will continue to do in that society no matter how hard they regulate it. I think about drug use, something that humans love to do and won't stop just because it's illegal.

Instead of pushing for intense gun control, we launch an aggressive public information campaign, like we did with cigarettes. We have graphic advertisements about what happens when you are careless with your firearms, and what horrors occur when firearms get in the wrong hands. Most of all, this campaign makes the assumption that gun-owners are responsible, and that they're not inherently bad for owning them. We eliminate that lifestyle divide by having these people's distrust of government and love for guns as an inevitability. "You're not a real American if you don't lock your guns," or some crap like that.

I still think some gun control measures should be passed, but only in tandem with efforts like that.

Locking guns up is great but how are you going to have time to get to it in a defensive situation.  Need a quick opening device to quickly get to a secured firearm.

Do you live in an area where your apartment or home are in constant threat? I lived in a moderately high-crime area in D.C. and I didn't even feel that way.

[Kitan Etos]

Locking guns up is great but how are you going to have time to get to it in a defensive situation.  Need a quick opening device to quickly get to a secured firearm.

Do you live in an area where your apartment or home are in constant threat? I lived in a moderately high-crime area in D.C. and I didn't even feel that way.

Fear sells. It's what the NRA and religion have in common.

[Jackie]

Not all firearm owners blindly worship a firearm as if it has magic powers. Nobody wants to ban 100% of all firearms. But we are tired of one industry holding the nation hostage just to protect it's sales.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Do you live in an area where your apartment or home are in constant threat? I lived in a moderately high-crime area in D.C. and I didn't even feel that way.

Fear sells. It's what the NRA and religion have in common.

The FUD Factor* is all they have. For their market it's enough. They do hammer on it.


*Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.