(June 10, 2019 at 1:53 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: The truth?
Most followers do not like the "new super sensitive super tolerant to the point of hatred and bigotry towards anything not this new BS version america.
For instance under obama there was much lip service to tolerance and racial equality, but in practice we got riots and instability because the president himself was causing unrest and distrust of the police department, primarily by second guessing every shooting against a black person.
It is telling that "super tolerant" is seen as a bad thing.
it is more telling when super tolerance is an excuse used to allow hatred and bigotry to swell up in your ranks. Super tolerance is a militant version of tolerance that demands conformity and absolute adherence to the rules with no exceptions least you be labeled the unholy 'bigot' when anything but tolerance is used to force compliance. So yeah... when a president uses his authority and power to under mind the police department which causes riots and the loss of life he in fact being 'super tollerant' is showing no tolerance!
How many race riots have we had since obama has been removed from office? once the super tolerant standard was revoked the Race based hatred and riots stopped! Groups like black lives matter have all since been forgotten as with out a call to arms from the top... Grounded people do not see the need in reality!
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: Non-indoctrinated what you would call uneducated (but truly that is the definition of unindoctrinated if you think about it) people see this are are not stupid just because we have not been taught how to process what the president was doing. we are not stupid just because we do not buy into the group think that demands everyone on the left is right and everyone not far left is a racist.
Quote:You appear to be blind to the rampant racism that permeates your country.
Hey stupid I am not white. I am on the front lines of what racism there is. which is minimal when compared to how other countries operate. You are confusing entitlement with racism. what people want verse outright exclusionary tactics based on hatred of skin color. A given race may demand "justice" but in truth they want revenge. So denial of revenge and replacement of revenge tactics being replaced with actual justice/due process ie arrest, arraignment trial by juror and either conviction or absolution is not racism.
I spent 15 years working 3 days a week in the inner cities (with primarily government subsidized black people.) there is a sub culture that demands what they call equality.. to you someone who has no fuking clue how this country works or what is meant may think equality means same opportunities. No. it is much more basic than that. "equality" means they want the same things middle america has.. again you might think they are being denied access because of skin color... Nope. In plain english they want the government to provide a upper middle class life style as apart of the assisted living. They want to live as if they earned 100K a year but on government assisted living rather than through work.
Now when we deny this or someone like trump says we will not tax the rich 90% to provide 1/2 of what this sub culture wants... it becomes a matter of inequality and racism... which again is not the definition you are working from, but that is the point... it makes people like you want to change what you are too fucking lazy to get out on the streets and do yourself. After all why try and help anyone yourself when you can just vote in someone to help alleviate your white guilt! On the other side people like AOC are happy to take what the rich earn and promise it to this subculture base and in doing so get to use their words (equality non racist tolerant) to pad their campaigns.
Here's the thing after 8 year of obama placating this subculture most of america can now see it for what it is thanks to the race riots and youtube..
Again Justice=revenge despite circumstances
equality= wellfare should provide a middle class lifestyle without the need to work.
racist= anyone who says no
like it or not.. know it or not most of america is well aware of these new meanings. Even if you douche bags across the planet do not.
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: Why do we like trump?
1 because he is far smarter
Let me stop you there. Trump is an idiot. He knows nothing about anything of importance and his own over estimation of his own abilities stops him listening to anyone who does know.[/quote] give me a specific example. not a cnn quote or a talking head position give me a specific policy he has implemented out of ignorance.
Not only that the man before all of this was and still is a billionaire. where is your billion dollars? where is clinton billion? where is AOC billions? that's right you and your buddies do not have a billion dollars why? because YOU Literally are not smart enough to earn that money. neither are any o the other people on any political list. YET people like you think it is a good idea for people who have never managed a business or even opened a lemonade stand manage trillions in the way of the federal government? what qualifications does a salaried government employee possible have in what is best for not only business but the foundation of the world economy?
Seriously give me something that shows we under trump are worse off than under obama borrow and spend regim.
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: and can easily manipulate the media into doing what he wants.
Quote:He does exert fascination for the media, but then a disaster always does.
again you play persnal insults or your ablity to insert a quip like if it where a discernable fact that actually has bearing or meaning against his character.. this is what happens when people think the daily show is a form of news.
Again just because you CAN say something negative does not mean a person is incompetent. Think about it for a moment. if you where the news director at cnn and have lost hundreds of millions in stock value because trump and manhandling you and making you and your company look foolish and untrustworthy, wouldn't you then have nothing but negative things to say? does it make any of them true?
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: yes it is a give and take but for the most part trump pushes the group think media outlets into doing things for him they would otherwise never do. My personal favorite win was when on his campaign got them to cover his open galia at his new DC hotel by telling them he was going to admit to the obama birth certificate thing.. they estimated 50 million dollars worth of coverage and at the very end of the night he had a 15 second blurp.
Quote:What you are describing is a con man. Was that what you wanted to do?
If he gave them what he promised how is it then a con?
again this statement shows extreme bias and limited thinking. you are name calling because the man you claimed to be an idiot is infact much smarter than the collective news agencies he played.
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: 2) He is not owned by any special interest other than his own.
Quote:He is owned by almost all the special interest groups. Especially if that interest group is a foreign power like the Saudis or Russia.
proof? Mueller found non yet you cling to the charge.. again this is not a intellectually honest position. trump was cleared from any dealings with russia and yet you pretend this charge still as merrit just so you can hang on to an argument and do not have to rethink your position.
Which it is time you rethough as everything you have to say or think about trump seem pre election. it's been 3 years sport.. alot of things have changed but your closed mind has not.
This is primarly why trump will win the next election as well. because you people still think its 2016 and no one has gather any news out side of the fake news media. grow up stop name calling and open your eyes. stop letting others tell you what to think. As everything you said here today has been parroted since before he was elected.
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: that intrest centers around his ability to make money, which is tied to the US economy! which means for him to make money we all make money! we went from .5%GDP growth to 4% when obama said the new normal was .5 to maybe 1% growth!!! Obama said gone are the days of 3% gdp growth! (this means we were in a perminate depression) that we would have to simply learn to tighten our belts!
Quote:And he has done that by using all the methods you would use to stimulate the economy in a crisis. Leaving nothing to be done in a real crisis. And lets not forget the econmy that Obama was bequeathed. He performed an economic miracle and gets no thanks.
you do not call 8 years of obama negative gdp numbers a real crisis? besides that aren't you supposed to still be chanting trump if elected will crash the market?
In truth business men the world round know when it is time to make money and when it is time to hold on to it. people are spending and investing because their earnings are not being taxed into oblivion and redistrubited. which we can count on for another 4 years when trump gets re-elected. now if one of your socialist party members gets elected then you will see what a real crisis will look like.
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: 3) he has done or tried to do everything his campaign said he would do. From draining the swamp to getting out of this stupid parris climate thing to redoing nafta and finishing obama's wall! getting rid of obama care!
Quote:All of the things he has done are awful
again no thought, no reasoning, just a personal insult as if it where an air tight indictment. again moron give me an example a real world failing show me where trump has failed. again not a talking head point or some cnn mad-cow editorial... show me something that has hurt this country.
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: 4)he ended ISIS, we are safer concerning N.Korea since before WWII, we are holding iran to account to not having nukes. we solidified our partnership with Israel/got out of bed with Iran. we are no longer on track for becoming apart of the EU. he has enforced out border laws. he makes people imigrate the legal way. and as a first born son/first generation american born citizen from my mom's family, making people imigrate properly is very improtant to me and all of my family, conformity as it ensures integration into society and not disconnect sub cells of people. Meaning we see ourselves as americans with a stake in this country which means we seek to be apart of it by obeying the laws and want to be apart of the process, rather than seeing ourselves as us against the USA.
Quote:I think you are giving kudos to Trump for the things done bt Arab fighters on the ground.
and it is clear you do not follow the news. there where restrictions and a very tight set of rules to engage isis. (if they hide in a mosque) for example no us ally was allowed to damage the mosque. Trump gave a green light to allow the ARAB fighters to do whatever it took.
Do you see when you are not playing politics and are allowed to use common sense what you can accomplish?
Quote: N Korea are expanding their missile programme and thought the results of the last negotiations were so bad they executed the negotiators. You wer never going to part of the EU you absolute loon.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/11/politics/...index.html
Educate yourself fool.
When obama left he said the N.korea was the biggest threat to international secureity and that someone will have to address n.korea soon otherwise there will be a war, and he was prepping the US for a war with Nk.
To the point where one of the first things trump did to back them off was to send 3 aircraft carriers to the pensula with a nuclear sub to show them we where not going to play obama's game of allowing kim to do whatever he wants.
https://taskandpurpose.com/carrier-strik...orth-korea
Quote:He has unleashed an army to persecute people often with dubious legal authority. Iran was actually not developing nukes, they are now thanks to Trump.
How stupid are you? if they where not developing nukes then why did jeruslem bomb a nuclear development faclity built by the north koreans?
https://www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com...korea-iran
Why then did obama and kerry spend 100 billion dollars to pay iran to sign that horse shit treaty? the treaty the demanded that we give 8 weeks notice for any surprise inspections? that if they where caught in violation nothing could be confiscated or retained? that insured iran had nuclear capabilities in 15 years? all the treaty did was slow down the process IF the american hating people did not cheat on their end which we would have no way of knowing.
During clinton's regim he found that he could pay n.korea not to build nuclear bombs... all this treaty was, was obama's attempt to pay off the iranians like clinton did... they only signed because their ecconomy was failing and they got 100 billion euro/pound/dollar infusion.
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: 5) he is a live and let live president.
Quote:Only if you are a white Christian. Heard of the anti muslim measures he put in place? sure you did.
examples? again not looking for tertiary commentary. looking for source material.
The muslims I know are in more support of trump than obama.
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: he is showing you do not have to love chip on the shoulder people just to be tolerant.
Quote:He is the opposite of what you say here. I honestly have no idea where you get this view of him.
examples? how is he the oppsite? again specifics not name calling.
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: you can live and let live. where as the 'educated' (witnessed by the berkley riots) not even allowing a differently minded speak speak on campus. those 'educated people' would rather see the campus burn than allow simple freedom of speech to happen! America also wants to go back to not feeling obligated that every american owes black people 40 acres and a mule.. Why not again live and let live? meaning if you personally owned a slave then pay up your 40 acres and a mule! if not and if you where never a slave then learn to simple be decent to one another.. black people should not have to place whites at the same time there needs to be common goals as rules we all must obey as we come together as a society.. meaning the same rules that apply to whites latinos and asians should also be applied to black people when we are all out in public. no one race should be treated differently.
Quote:One group has suffered discrimination for hundreds of years, they aren't all starting from the same place so one group will probably need a help up.
bull shite.
that's a disconnect media narrative based on a sub culture demands or feelings for entitlement. Most who cry discrimination collect government subsidies and simply want more. they want what everyone else has, but as an entitlement not as a reward for hard work and or study. again 15 years in the trenches renders this opinion, what do you have? someone who heard from the news who has maybe listened to someone grip about their life for 20 mins? I help feed, cloth, go into people's homes, provide services, clean, landscape, mend, child care, cook dinners, fix cars, provide cars, provided jobs, was a camp counselor for 15 or more years. this is what i saw. I saw people who had their own rules their own culture their own since of right and wrong some was fair other aspects where not, everyone wanted or had a 'side hustle' something they did within their own community to 'make it.' To them it was not fair for someone outside of this community to arrest or judge a man's side hustle. That douche bag is the problem. that is where Justice does not mean due process but revenge, because 'white america' has no right to judge this sub culture, which obama mainstreamed and again is what cause the riots... but with him gone so to the riots went... or do you think no black men have been shot by police under Trump?
It is not fairness nor equality that is desired any more that ended with MLKJr. if you directly ask they will tell you they demand to be given a life for perceived 'damage from slavery' and freedom from White america and white laws. they want to be their own country with in this country subject to their own laws.
"why are you broke, when people stole from you/stoleyou from your home?"
Again this subculture which is now moving away from the mainstream again does not want the understanind of equality like it has been talked about by people like MLKJR. This culture wants a the right to create it's own governement. that is what is meant by equality.
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: 6)policy... not so much his, but the alternative. There is no middle ground on the left any more. your either want to be a socialist or the option is you don't which means trump.
Quote:This is what the far right want you to think. All lefties are communists. No we aren't.
Dummy, NOT COMMUNISM SOCIALISM!!!!
I don't need to have some talking head tell me this I don't need anews agency to digest this and tell me what to think!!! I listen to people like Sanders and AOC and know the defination of socialism as I am a history nut and I literally see the same promises the 'brown coats' offer the german people. which again became national socialist party. I see what they promise and I hear them when they tell us whom they are going to use to fund this... the same thing was said, many many times. each time ended n tragic failure!
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: Most of us/trumper know we are the target of 'wealth redistribution.' even if the numbers are high right now. most of us understand and can see a day when middle of the road people will have to pay for the worthless and lazy/educated/can't pay back my student loans meanwhile I got a job out of highschool worked and made money for the first 5 or 10 years and now own my own business in this trade and make 6 or 7 figures while "educated people" want 'the rich undeserving' to pay for their loans and pay them to stay in their moms basements playing fortnight.
Quote:You are paying for the super wealthy to get even richer while people work multiple jobs and are still unable to make ends meet.
hey dumb ass how do the super wealthy get richer??? they open new businesses they hire new people they pay the skilled labors more to keep them because other rich people want to hire them away. they invest in banks which invests in smaller companies which inturn pours more money into common people's pockets.. This is only a problem if you don't want to work!!! Rich getting richer who gives a shite if in the process I get mine????
The first thing my company did under trump was hire two new guys and buy 25k worth of equipment... second year we FINALLY after 18 years of having our own business got our first loan, two which I opened up a second location and hired 4 more people all of which are making top dollar in their fields... I am a nobody. my might have 10 to 15 part time/full time people at any given time.and I do not just sit on money I invest every cent i got... now imagine whata billionare does.. do you think he just stuffs his mattress? even if he parked it in a bank that bank can now loan deserving people money where they would be more likly not.
Again only lazy assholes who do not want to work or have some stupid degree which means they are worthless to the real world/can make money off their education care whether or not rich people get richer. again they do not sit on money they invest it which is why they are so rich. investing means jobs, raises and more money to be spend around the world!
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: 7) Clinton was evil and everyone knew it. She was not fooling anyone and we could clearly her tell one group of people one thing and another somethng completely contradictory and when ever confronted... she answered not the question asked but the question she would liked them to have asked! typical politician. 'we' are tired of the political lies. 'we' would rather have someone say something unpopular than lie.
Quote:Clinton was a competent person with a history of government. I can only dream of the world that could have been if someone even half competent had replaced the utter shit storm that is brokahontas. The man who in the ninties lost more than any other person in the US and ran for office on his business record.
he was an incompetant bafoon who was literally impeeched lost his law licenses for lying under oath and was the father if the taliban which set us up for 9-11 and this 20 year war!!! that douche bag is clintons legacy! clinton trying to murder osama started the taliban and obama leaving a power vacuum in the middle east started ISIS.. it seems the only thing carrer politicians are good at doing in getting us into decades long war!
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: That is why trump is given so much forgiveness. Grab a woman by the "p" did he lie about doing it? no he said he said it, but it is locker room talk.. Meh... why? because he is a playboy billionaire not a holier than thou politician. Trump is trump, he is what the constitution writers planned for.. a citizen, not a life long career politician, but a business man who is apart of the great mass of people flaws and all to be appointed leader!
Quote:If its about lying then you should watch anything he says for about five seconds. He lies more than he tells the truth. I cant remember a time he said something that turned out to be completely true.
again give me a primary example. not just name calling and personal vitriol.
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: 8)preservation of the US constitution as the forefathers planed it. know it or not on the left there is a huge movement to stifle free speech freedom of religion and the right to bear arms. with a "dim in office the supreme court was to empty out for fresh blood on the "dims' side (albeit they justices are supposed to be neutral) Clinton vowed to fill the court who saw the constitution as a 'living document.' Trump vowed and has made choices to the bench that maintains the constitution and bill of rights as they where originally written.
Quote:He tramples over and ignores the constitution when it suits him.
again example.. these are literally baseless accusations.
(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: IE the Dims voted for a change of the 1st amendment that chaned it from freedom of speech to freedom of reasonable speech. and the lower house voted on this and the dims passed the "reasonable speech" and voted down the original 1st amendment freedom n all speech.
9) because we know indoctrination is not the same as education, and are not afraid of people on the left calling us names or cutting us out of their elitist club.
10) trump ties us to our proud past or the parts of our past we can be proud of rather than shaming everyamerican for every sin our forbearers made. we are the hard working calluses hands sore sun burned back of this country and we will not be told what is right by people who put men in dresses in the same bathroom as a little girl. Again not that we have to hate that broken man, but at the same time we do not have to put our children and wives in danger for the sake of people who want to pretend there is nothing at all wrong with this. We are tired of the nut bags telling common sense folk what is right and what is wrong. Again common sense people don't have to hate anyone. that is what nut baggers do (if it is not the same hate it/make them feel unwelcome and not part of the club) however at the same time if you do not want to play by society's rules then you also should remove the expectations of polite society.
Trump allows you guys to have your space to be as nutty as you like pushing the idea of unisex bathrooms meaning anyone not wanted to be gender assigned to use one room or another to poop or pee can come together in one place... where as the last guy demanded everyone just accept a guy in a dress in the woman's locker room.
Not specificall about this one subject but the over all meeting in the middle where the left demands my way only.
Quote:So basically you are wrong on every thought you have on the subject. No surprise there.
sweeping dismissal without addressing any of the facts provided.. Logical fallacies straight through your whole commentary. do you know not one of your accusation was based on anything real? you did not one quote any source provide any examples or backed up any claims... everything you said is based on biased opinion...
That douche bag is why people are done with the left. you people are substanceless. you guys are emotionally driven douche bags who name call and lie about anyting you do not like and what's more feel justified in doing so. Who in their right mind wants their world leader to be this way?
