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So I am Here with My first Question
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RE: So I am Here with My first Question
(June 12, 2019 at 6:13 am)hindu Wrote: Does Atheism has capability to accept other faiths ? I mean key to peace is acceptance ..
I am not talking about faiths like islam etc..Here I am talking about faiths like Buddhism, Jainism etc.

Note: I am not here to debate , I am here to discuss and learn from you guys.

Thanks

I can accept that people have faiths but I do not accept the faith as being a valid thing. I'm not sure what you mean by "other faiths" atheism is not agreeing with something not a thing in itself, (except in its more extreme form)



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RE: So I am Here with My first Question
As has been stated, atheism is simply a disbelief in gods and the rejection of theistic claims.

Individual atheists respond differently.

I have a good relationship with three chaplains, one of which is a seniir chaplain in the NZDF. They know I'm a heathen and it's not a problem for any of us.

What I have a problem with is others trying to push their beliefs on others or use those beluefs to hurt or deny rights to others.

"I can't do that because of my beliefs" is perfectly acceptable.

"You can't do that because of my beliefs" is not acceptable.
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RE: So I am Here with My first Question
Faith is such a broad word, seldom sold. I might store faith in many things, family, friends and coworkers.

I don't surely invest that valuable good in fantasies.
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RE: So I am Here with My first Question
(June 12, 2019 at 2:22 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Faith is such a broad word, seldom sold. I might store faith in many things, family, friends and coworkers.

I don't surely invest that valuable good in fantasies.

That's an important distinction - glad you brought it up.

I've been accused in having faith in many things, but I view religious faith differently than everyday faith.  For example, when I flip a light switch in my home, it can be said that I have 'faith' that the lights will go on or off.  But this expectation is based on a reasonable statistical universe - I've flipped light switches tens of thousands of times, and the lights virtually always go on or off.  I don't expect that raspberry jam will ooze out of the light fixtures, or that our home will be struck by a boulder made of mastodon dung.  Religious faith - gods are real, gods pay attention to us, I'm going to heaven when I die -  is a little different because theists do NOT base their faith on experience (oddly enough, a lot of them seem proud of this, which puzzles me).

So, I'll go on having reasonable expectations based on experience.  If it pleases theists to call this 'faith', I shan't quibble.

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'A man is accepted into a church for what he believes.  He is turned out for what he knows.' - Mark Twain
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RE: So I am Here with My first Question
(June 12, 2019 at 8:53 am)pocaracas Wrote:
(June 12, 2019 at 6:13 am)hindu Wrote: Does Atheism has capability to accept other faiths ? I mean key to peace is acceptance ..
I am not talking about faiths like islam etc..Here I am talking about faiths like Buddhism, Jainism etc.

Note: I am not here to debate , I am here to discuss and learn from you guys.

Thanks

What's the difference between faiths like Islam and faiths like Buddhism or Jainism?

A lack of a supernatural deity to worship above all else, among many others. Buddhism and atheism are compatible, but atheism and Islam certainly are not.

(June 12, 2019 at 6:13 am)hindu Wrote: Does Atheism has capability to accept other faiths ? I mean key to peace is acceptance ..
I am not talking about faiths like islam etc..Here I am talking about faiths like Buddhism, Jainism etc.

Note: I am not here to debate , I am here to discuss and learn from you guys.

Thanks

When you say "accept" do you mean "be tolerant of those who believe in them" or do you mean "accept their teachings as true"? Your clarification about Islam and Buddhism made me wonder if I understand you.
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RE: So I am Here with My first Question
(June 12, 2019 at 8:53 am)pocaracas Wrote:
(June 12, 2019 at 6:13 am)hindu Wrote: Does Atheism has capability to accept other faiths ? I mean key to peace is acceptance ..
I am not talking about faiths like islam etc..Here I am talking about faiths like Buddhism, Jainism etc.

Note: I am not here to debate , I am here to discuss and learn from you guys.

Thanks

What's the difference between faiths like Islam and faiths like Buddhism or Jainism?

Two claim to be a religion of peace, one really is and the other really isn't. And the remaining one is usually pretty groovy.
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RE: So I am Here with My first Question
I never saw Theravada Buddhism as a "faith." One could even say that the first three Noble Truths are a logical statement.

pemise 1: life is suffering

premise 2: suffering comes from attachment

conclusion: Therefore, to be free from suffering, one must be free from attachment.

Something like that, anyway...
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RE: So I am Here with My first Question
(June 16, 2019 at 6:16 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: I never saw Theravada Buddhism as a "faith." One could even say that the first three Noble Truths are a logical statement.

pemise 1: life is suffering

premise 2: suffering comes from attachment

conclusion: Therefore, to be free from suffering, one must be free from attachment.

Something like that, anyway...

Schopenhauer's views are similar and he's, obviously, a philosopher and not a faith leader.

David Benatar's views are very Buddhist too. But without the possibility of enlightenment.

The only really religious-y bit in Buddhism ... is the literal past lives, literal rebirth and literal karma. But it may be the case that the Buddha got idolized and exaggerated and the religion that Buddhism became is quite different to what the Buddha actually taught.
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RE: So I am Here with My first Question
(June 16, 2019 at 6:16 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: I never saw Theravada Buddhism as a "faith." One could even say that the first three Noble Truths are a logical statement.

premise 1: life is suffering

premise 2: suffering comes from attachment

conclusion: Therefore, to be free from suffering, one must be free from attachment.

Something like that, anyway...

I guess you could argue that you need faith in the Dharma as a means of solving the problem of suffering in order to practice it fully? But that's not "a faith."
Memento Mori
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RE: So I am Here with My first Question
(June 16, 2019 at 7:18 pm)Aegon Wrote: I guess you could argue that you need faith in the Dharma as a means of solving the problem of suffering in order to practice it fully? But that's not "a faith."

I suppose a hard-nosed skeptic might demand evidence that Dharma leads to liberation. It seems that it could be demonstrated anyway.

In regards to "practicing Buddhism fully" I think most people employ faith when they do that.

So, at a practical level, Buddhism is a faith. But (theoretically) it doesn't require faith.

You could even go deeper with the analysis and say that the end goal of Buddhism (enlightenment) involves a person accepting reality with out any obscurities whatsoever including faith. An enlightened person is without such things as faith, hope, fear, longing etc.

(June 16, 2019 at 6:19 pm)SenseMaker007 Wrote: Schopenhauer's views are similar and he's, obviously, a philosopher and not a faith leader.

Are you a fan of Shopie? I never read any of his books. I feel like Nietzsche (with whom I'm very familiar) might have "ruined" Schopenhauer for me, since one of Nietzsche's pet projects was refuting him.
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