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[Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
(July 26, 2019 at 5:02 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Sex is better without gods sticking their noses into our business.

Considering it a sign of God is a reference to its importance in our lives.

(July 26, 2019 at 5:31 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I think ‘mercy’ is a safe word.

7:189 included this:

Quote:And when he covers her, she carries a light burden and continues therein

This is an explicit reference to sex.

(July 26, 2019 at 5:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I can't recall anyone here saying that the Quran is anti-sex.  Provided that the sex takes place only between a man and a woman, in a union approved of by Allah, I'm sure the Quran is fine with it.

Anti-woman, sure.  Anti-gay people, definitely.  Anti-ham sandwiches, no possible doubt.  Anti-hundreds and hundreds of things that would make people happy if they weren't forbidden by some semi-literate, semi-savage, child molesting fanatic fourteen centuries ago, absolutely.

Boru

The tone of "Islam is anti-sex" can be seen very clearly in both the propaganda of some right-wing enthusiasts and in the religious code of some Muslim factions even; these Muslim factions have allergy to sex and they are one one of the reasons Islam is taken to be anti-women. Take the Wahhabi sect as an example, and the European far-right as another example.

Give the religion another chance; reports about child-molesting and being anti-women are either not true; or related to certain individuals.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
(July 27, 2019 at 4:42 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(July 26, 2019 at 5:02 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Sex is better without gods sticking their noses into our business.

Considering it a sign of God is a reference to its importance in our lives.

My statement is blunt. Gods are bad at sex. How would we have copious Cunnilingus with an Abrahamic god interfering? Fellatio? Tossing the salad? You know, The good stuff!
One thing you never see: A guy in Boston, Mass. with a Union flag yelling "The Nawth's gonna rise again!"






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#13
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
(July 27, 2019 at 12:30 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(July 27, 2019 at 12:01 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Homosexuality is not unnatural

I agree with you here. But (just for the sake of argument), let's assume you might be wrong. Let's delve into the issue 

I mean, what if homosexuality IS unnatural? So what?

If we are going to ask this question, first we must ask ourselves what the word "unnatural" even means... and how something that happens in the natural world--like gay sex--can qualify as "unnatural."

And even if gay sex IS unnatural... does that make it immoral? Is that, like, a rule? "All unnatural things are immoral?"

I guess the rule would go something like: "If something is "unnatural" (whatever the fuck that means) it is therefore immoral."

So does that mean virtual reality is immoral? What about Pokemon? Fuck, I mean, what about science fiction novels?

I'm confused.

Males evolved to mate with women and vice versa; we can mark that by the pregnancy the female goes through after a sexual encounter with a male: in other words that's the function their bodies are designed to do; thus it is the natural thing to happen.

For the example; the eyes' natural function is to "see"; not to "hear".
The nose's natural function is to smell; not to "see".
So as the penis: it's natural function is to mate with a female vagina to produce children.
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#14
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
Haha, you said "unnatural mating." That's funny.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
(July 27, 2019 at 1:46 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Quite interesting that Atlas likes to explain to us the supernatural (Allah) while he doesn't yet understand the natural ( homosexuality)!

If homosexuality is natural, then the mating would produce children.
I never saw a pregnant man.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
(July 27, 2019 at 5:24 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(July 27, 2019 at 1:46 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Quite interesting that Atlas likes to explain to us the supernatural (Allah) while he doesn't yet understand the natural ( homosexuality)!

If homosexuality is natural, then the mating would produce children.
I never saw a pregnant man.

Define "natural".
"Our attitudes towards things like race or gender operate on two levels. First of all, we have our conscious attitudes. This is what we choose to believe. These are our stated values, which we use to direct our behavior deliberately ... But the IAT [Implicit Association Test] measures something else. It measures our second level of attitude, our racial attitude on an unconscious level - the immediate, automatic associations that tumble out before we've even had time to think. We don't deliberately choose our unconscious attitudes. And ... we may not even be aware of them. The giant computer that is our unconscious silently crunches all the data it can from the experiences we've had, the people we've met, the lessons we've learned, the books we've read, the movies we've seen, and so on, and it forms an opinion." - Malcolm Gladwell
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
(July 27, 2019 at 11:55 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:
(July 27, 2019 at 12:01 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Homosexuality is not unnatural

The anus, the theists nightmare. See how well the penis fits into a back passage, surely this is a sign that they were created for such a thing. In the male the Gspot is obtainable only via rear penetration so again.....

Say in the voice of Ray Comfort

And the road to the prostate is full of poop...

(July 27, 2019 at 5:29 pm)Grandizer Wrote:
(July 27, 2019 at 5:24 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: If homosexuality is natural, then the mating would produce children.
I never saw a pregnant man.

Define "natural".

I defined it in post 13:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-59445-p...pid1921879
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
(July 27, 2019 at 5:24 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(July 27, 2019 at 1:46 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Quite interesting that Atlas likes to explain to us the supernatural (Allah) while he doesn't yet understand the natural ( homosexuality)!

If homosexuality is natural, then the mating would produce children.
I never saw a pregnant man.

According to your own argument, each time a woman does NOT get pregnant it's unnatural.
Also ca. 10-15% of animals are engaging in homosexual activity. So it's natural.
You should update your absurd and antiquated views and start to read other books.
Try again.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
(July 27, 2019 at 4:42 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: [quote pid='1921731' dateline='1564174926']


(July 26, 2019 at 5:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I can't recall anyone here saying that the Quran is anti-sex.  Provided that the sex takes place only between a man and a woman, in a union approved of by Allah, I'm sure the Quran is fine with it.

Anti-woman, sure.  Anti-gay people, definitely.  Anti-ham sandwiches, no possible doubt.  Anti-hundreds and hundreds of things that would make people happy if they weren't forbidden by some semi-literate, semi-savage, child molesting fanatic fourteen centuries ago, absolutely.

Boru

Quote:The tone of "Islam is anti-sex" can be seen very clearly in both the propaganda of some right-wing enthusiasts and in the religious code of some Muslim factions even; these Muslim factions have allergy to sex and they are one one of the reasons Islam is taken to be anti-women. Take the Wahhabi sect as an example, and the European far-right as another example.

Give the religion another chance; reports about child-molesting and being anti-women are either not true; or related to certain individuals.

[/quote]

But Islam is anti-sex, you said it yourself - sex is only sanctioned in a heterosexual marriage approved by the Quran.  All other forms of sex are forbidden.  Islam is anti-gay sex, sex between unmarried people, plural sex, and so on. Claiming that Islam is not anti-sex is sort of like claiming that Joe loves dogs, because he only poisons the ones that don't belong to him.

Sorry, Islam has had enough of a chance.

Boru
'A man is accepted into a church for what he believes.  He is turned out for what he knows.' - Mark Twain
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: sex and love
(July 27, 2019 at 5:22 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: So as the penis: it's natural function is to mate with a female vagina to produce children.

How do you pee?
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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