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RE: Is God a logical contradiction?
February 19, 2020 at 8:07 pm
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Not trolling; you said I didn't think the neural correlates were observable. Just wanted to make sure there were no misunderstandings.
Tell me more about why you think the relationship between a sensory stimuli and its perception is not causal, but rather correlative.
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RE: Is God a logical contradiction?
February 19, 2020 at 8:08 pm
Anyone can click that link, and read what I wrote. You could too. I'll wait.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Is God a logical contradiction?
February 19, 2020 at 9:08 pm
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You wrote: "You think that we observe behaviors, not the neural correlates of consciousness." Perhaps I misread you, perhaps you made it up, doesn't matter. We've clarified that I do think neural correlates of consciousness are observable, and we're moving on.
What's more important is that you've said, "We observe..everything, by their correlating conscious experiences." So please, tell me more about why you think theres a correlative relationship between a sensory stimuli and its perception, not a causal relationship. Is there any confusion between correlations and causations?
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RE: Is God a logical contradiction?
February 19, 2020 at 9:31 pm
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You asked me to form a more charitable version of your position, without employing the stolen concept that you did.
It's simply a fact that we observe everything by some correlate. There is no man behind the glass of the eyes directly viewing any matter. We checked, he wasn't in there. It's an irrelevant aside, it doesn't matter if a person thinks there is or there isn't, or if we observe everything through correlation or we don't.
It's only important that, having chosen a position...any position, about anything......they do not assert, and thus require, the truth of what which they would disprove. That is a stolen concept fallacy.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Is God a logical contradiction?
February 19, 2020 at 9:36 pm
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RE: Is God a logical contradiction?
February 19, 2020 at 9:38 pm
I was thinking something more like...
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I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Is God a logical contradiction?
February 19, 2020 at 9:39 pm
(February 19, 2020 at 9:38 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I was thinking something more like...
Oh, you changed your username.
I like this one much better.
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RE: Is God a logical contradiction?
February 19, 2020 at 9:40 pm
It funnier if you're in on the joke, but not as badass.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Is God a logical contradiction?
February 19, 2020 at 10:30 pm
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(February 19, 2020 at 9:31 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's simply a fact that we observe everything by some correlate. There is no man behind the glass of the eyes directly viewing any matter. We checked, he wasn't in there. It's an irrelevant aside, it doesn't matter if a person thinks there is or there isn't, or if we observe everything through correlation or we don't.
Perception has a causal relationship with what is being observed: a receptor is stimulated, and a perception is formed. Do you agree? To call this interaction a correlation obfuscates the conversation.
You've already mashed up the scientific sense of observation, with the perceptual sense of observation. We observe through our senses. Science observes through its measurements.
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RE: Is God a logical contradiction?
February 19, 2020 at 10:58 pm
Yes, measurements like the position of a needle on the face of a machine. "Voltage". Again, it doesn't matter whether you believe this is observation of voltage, or whether you believe it is not. It is only important..that whichever position you take, you do not require the truth of that which you seek to disprove.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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