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Easy comebacks ?
September 4, 2019 at 12:00 am
I have an uncle with whom I frequently discuss about Christianity, and he always says that the Bible is perfect, and has predicted everything that has happened so far. Plus it has been written by people who never met.
Now I know the Bible is full of contradictions, but I don’t know them of memory. I need some comebacks about why the Bible contradicts itself.
Thank you
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RE: Easy comebacks ?
September 4, 2019 at 12:12 am
The Old Testament has numerous failures of prophecies. Here are just a few:
• Isaiah 17:1. Damascus is predicted to cease to be a city. In fact, Damascus is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities.
• Jeremiah 49:33 predicts that Hazor will become an ever lasting wasteland in which humans will never again dwell.
The King James Bible says it will become inhabited by dragons. None of this has happened.
• Zechariah 10:11. The Nile is predicted to dry up. This has not yet happened.
• Ezekiel 29, 30. The land of Egypt will be laid waste by Nebuchadnezzar, all its people killed and rivers dried up. It will remain uninhabited for forty years. This did not happen.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Easy comebacks ?
September 4, 2019 at 12:37 am
Exodus didn’t happen.
There was no global flood.
The dead of Jerusalem didn’t rise when Jesus resurrected ( the Romans would have noticed).
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September 4, 2019 at 12:48 am
(September 4, 2019 at 12:37 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Exodus didn’t happen.
There was no global flood.
The dead of Jerusalem didn’t rise when Jesus resurrected ( the Romans would have noticed).
What exactly is the Exodus?
If you believe in the flood isn’t that enough for a Christian?
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RE: Easy comebacks ?
September 4, 2019 at 1:09 am
(September 4, 2019 at 12:48 am)Macoleco Wrote: (September 4, 2019 at 12:37 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Exodus didn’t happen.
There was no global flood.
The dead of Jerusalem didn’t rise when Jesus resurrected ( the Romans would have noticed).
What exactly is the Exodus?
If you believe in the flood isn’t that enough for a Christian?
Not trying to be rude, but if you’re debating Christians you should probably pick up a Bible and read at least some of it yourself.
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RE: Easy comebacks ?
September 4, 2019 at 4:07 am
(September 4, 2019 at 1:09 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: (September 4, 2019 at 12:48 am)Macoleco Wrote: What exactly is the Exodus?
If you believe in the flood isn’t that enough for a Christian?
Not trying to be rude, but if you’re debating Christians you should probably pick up a Bible and read at least some of it yourself.
Agreed. If you're not sure what the Exodus is, you probably shouldn't be challenging Biblical literalists about their beliefs.
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September 4, 2019 at 4:38 am
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(September 4, 2019 at 12:48 am)Macoleco Wrote: (September 4, 2019 at 12:37 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Exodus didn’t happen.
There was no global flood.
The dead of Jerusalem didn’t rise when Jesus resurrected ( the Romans would have noticed).
What exactly is the Exodus?
If you believe in the flood isn’t that enough for a Christian?
Really? You don't know the basic Christian doctrine of salvation?
Besides take it from me as a former fundie, every contradiction you can point out is going to have a scripted counter for it. Don't assume it's going to be easy.
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RE: Easy comebacks ?
September 4, 2019 at 7:46 am
(September 4, 2019 at 12:00 am)Macoleco Wrote: I have an uncle with whom I frequently discuss about Christianity, and he always says that the Bible is perfect, and has predicted everything that has happened so far. Plus it has been written by people who never met.
Now I know the Bible is full of contradictions, but I don’t know them of memory. I need some comebacks about why the Bible contradicts itself.
Thank you
There is not one religion in the world that is perfect. Even just on science alone, science contradicts every damned religion in the world. Every religion in the world has followers who'd argue otherwise, but still, science isn't a religion and isn't a tool that is there to prop up any of them.
There are countless contradictions in the bible though.
The NT books vary on the Jesus character's linage, birthplace, and number of "witnesses" depending on book.
One verse has him demanding you abandon your family and friends if they don't follow him. In another he says, "Think not that I bring peace, I bring not peace but a sword."
But those are irrelevant to me. The two most important stories of the Jesus myth are that of his birth, and that of his death. Both imply what science knows now as to be impossible. It takes two sets of DNA to manifest into a birth. And as far as the death mythology, if one actually were to murder someone like that by spearing them in the side, allowing all the blood to train out, to the point complete brain death, organ death, and cellular death, you do not come back from that.
But even the Jesus character to me is superfluous when you take the entire bible God into account from the first page to the last page. The God character throughout the entire book remains the ultimate authoritarian power. He is clearly abusive to everyone in the OT, even if they are loyal or innocent or young. This same God fakes empathy in the NT by pretending to give a shit about humans, but when you go to the end of the book, the God character goes back to being a violent insecure bully.
There is a reason the character is written like that. Back then ruling families/kings mistook their success as coming from a divine source. And also, in antiquity the human mortality rate was far higher, so it was far more incumbent to tow the tribal line and support your local ruler. And rival kingships were often very brutal to those they defeated, even in prior and surrounding polytheism of that time.
The words "Kingdom" and "Lord" reflect the age of kings of antiquity.
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RE: Easy comebacks ?
September 4, 2019 at 9:01 am
(September 4, 2019 at 12:48 am)Macoleco Wrote: (September 4, 2019 at 12:37 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Exodus didn’t happen.
There was no global flood.
The dead of Jerusalem didn’t rise when Jesus resurrected ( the Romans would have noticed).
What exactly is the Exodus?
If you believe in the flood isn’t that enough for a Christian?
Yeah maybe you could make comments on Exodus, like "What? God needed houses painted with lamb's blood so that he knows what child to kill? How omnipotent is that? What if someone used wrong blood? And also, isn't it racist to prefer one people out of all other on this planet?"
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Easy comebacks ?
September 4, 2019 at 10:21 am
(September 4, 2019 at 1:09 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: (September 4, 2019 at 12:48 am)Macoleco Wrote: What exactly is the Exodus?
If you believe in the flood isn’t that enough for a Christian?
Not trying to be rude, but if you’re debating Christians you should probably pick up a Bible and read at least some of it yourself. Not to be rude, but reading a fiction book for the only purpose of finding its contradictions is a waste of time for some of us.
And if it is my responsabilidad to read the Bible, then they should too have strong scientific bases to debate with me, which I’m sure most don’t.
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