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Christian Propoganda in classroom
Christian Propoganda in classroom
I often hear about the so-called "liberal agenda" in education. And yet, time and time again, I see Christians forcefeeding their students in classrooms.
A FB acquaintance posted a picture of her son's entire football team (and parents) praying on the field before a game (at a public HS in North Carolina). 

https://www.elkharttruth.com/hometown/el...wChristian Pro

"Some Christian stickers and posters in the classroom include the 10 Commandments, “God Bless America” and “As long as there are tests there will always be prayer in public schools.”

In addition to the religious content are multiple conservative and Republican posts, including some that say “Liberalism is a mental disorder,” “Trump Pence Make America great again” and “I’m a child not a choice."
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RE: Christian Propoganda in classroom
School was 45 yrs ago for me. At that time removing religion/religious content from school never even entered anyone's mind here in the heartland. The few of us (openly atheist or just non christian) learned to ignore it. The extra drama that would have been created was just not worth it.
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RE: Christian Propoganda in classroom
If the kids/parents are posting the pics/memes and organizing the prayers, A OK.

If school officials are doing it, nein.
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RE: Christian Propoganda in classroom
I live in a secular state (French Republic) and teachers know they can't do religious propaganda in public high schools because the law is clear at first reading.
In France we have "Loi du 9 décembre 1905 concernant la séparation des Eglises et de l'Etat" (Law of 9 December 1905 concerning the separation of churches and the State).
The word "Loi" means literally "Law" but in the context we can also translate it with the term "Act of Parliament".

The basis of this law is taught to teachers.

To read the act in French on LégiFrance an official website containing legal information : https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTex...0000508749
Item about this act of parliament in English on Wikipedia : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1905_Frenc..._the_State
The same item in French : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loi_de_s%C...7%C3%89tat

As in United States of America the separation of Church and State (The Federal state) isn't explicitly but implicitly wrote in the American Constitution.
I suppose it is a cause of misunderstanding among teachers without forget there are a common misunderstanding in the general population who believe USA is officially a Christian state even if not.
For the 50 states it is different because some of them mention God (It is write God but not which God for the few I read) in their constitution.
I don't know for the District of Columbia and five US territories.

You can be asked to swear on the Bible on a trial but you can ask to swear on another text or only affirming the truth.
Many people think it is mandatory to swear on the Bible but it is a misconception.
A website I found about religions that speak about it (I don't know if this is a serious website but it does seem to be) : https://www.learnreligions.com/affirming...ce-4589935
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Seems like these posters are being used to promote Christianity, and I'm no American but that's against the spirit of the First Amendment, right?
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RE: Christian Propoganda in classroom
“They were donated by students”.

Then let him take them home and pollute his own space.
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RE: Christian Propoganda in classroom
It is no surprise that Christians want to shove evolution out of the classroom: it's a direct threat to religiosity, at least, for a lot of people. These same people are the ones who want praying in school, creationism taught to suggestible children, so on and so forth.

Praying at a football game? That's just wrong. What makes you think god cares about your high school football game?

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Education, by it's very essence, is always a political act.

People only get riled up when the implicit politics of education conflicts with their personal political views.

Systemic racism, sexism, homophobism etc have brought us to the point where racists, sexists, homophobes etc, bitch and complain whenever their preferred bigotry is called out for the irrational hatred that it is.

This is my lens, as a teacher, when addressing these issues.
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RE: Christian Propoganda in classroom
This kind of shit pisses me off but not as much as it used to.

Every couple of years, a new scientific survey comes out regarding religious self-identification in the USA. And EVERY time, the newest survey shows more "Nones" than previous surveys and less Christians than previous surveys. Those "Nones" are not necessarily atheists but they are secular in their life style and their politics.

We are winning the war and our victory is inevitable. I do think it's important to push back when Christians pull this shit but I don't think we need to get too worked up over it. The trend towards secularism in developed countries is unstoppable.
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RE: Christian Propoganda in classroom
(September 17, 2019 at 7:49 pm)wyzas Wrote: School was 45 yrs ago for me. At that time removing religion/religious content from school never even entered anyone's mind here in the heartland. The few of us (openly atheist or just non christian) learned to ignore it. The extra drama that would have been created was just not worth it.

Yeah, from what I've come to understand, back then, the schools were afraid to talk about religion not because it was illegal or offensive to atheists, but because Christian denominations were all so divided that they would have stepped on someone's toes.  Say or do something that supports Catholicism and the Baptists get all pissy about it.  Acknowledge Methodists and the Jehovah's Witnesses get butthurt over it.  Talk about Joseph Smith or Mormons at all and, well, all the other denominations throw a fit.  

Then, some more pragmatic, politically minded church leaders managed to merge the churches into their America-first forms.  Suddenly, instead of being divided by denomination, they're united under the group flag "Christian."
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