When believing false things is comforting

[Belacqua]

As I said before, atheists may subscribe to many different ideologies. There is no single ideology intrinsic to atheism.

"There is no single ideology intrinsic to atheism." Is your code for "i was wrong"?

Not at all. I have never said that all atheists have the same ideology.

[Deesse23]

"There is no single ideology intrinsic to atheism." Is your code for "i was wrong"?

Not at all. I have never said that all atheists have the same ideology.

Yes, you have said all atheists have some ideology (additional to atheism).

Please back up your claim.

[Belacqua]

Not at all. I have never said that all atheists have the same ideology.

Yes, you have said all atheists have some ideology (additional to atheism).

Please back up your claim.

As I said before, anyone who thinks "the world should be this way and not that way" has an ideology. In my opinion, this includes all thinking humans. 

If there are atheists who have no opinions and no thoughts, then yes, they have no ideology.

[Deesse23]

Yes, you have said all atheists have some ideology (additional to atheism).

Please back up your claim.

As I said before, anyone who thinks "the world should be this way and not that way" has an ideology. In my opinion, this includes all thinking humans. 

If there are atheists who have no opinions and no thoughts, then yes, they have no ideology.

Nope, you have added that little "if" just now. Your original claim was:

My experience is that it is very much NOT true, of either atheists or religious people. 

Commitment to an ideological position nearly always takes precedence.

I pointed out the relevant part, just in case you are confused (about what you said). Now, please back your original claim, particlualy regarding atheists.

[Belacqua]

I pointed out the relevant part, just in case you are confused (about what you said). Now, please back your original claim, particlualy regarding atheists.

Unfortunately I haven't documented every relevant conversation I've had over the past decades. 

A glance at statements made by Anomalocaris should show that statistical accuracy or empirical evidence is of less concern to him than expressing disapproval of a certain large group of people. His case is often extreme but far from rare. 

Why do you suppose I'm the only one on this forum who calls him out when he makes wildly exaggerated and unprovable claims? 

[Abaddon_ire]

Yes, you have said all atheists have some ideology (additional to atheism).

Please back up your claim.

As I said before, anyone who thinks "the world should be this way and not that way" has an ideology. In my opinion, this includes all thinking humans. 

If there are atheists who have no opinions and no thoughts, then yes, they have no ideology.

No sir! You are attempting to dodge. You claimed there was an atheist ideology and now that it is pointed out that there is none such you are attempting "duck and cover". That any atheist may hold to any other unrelated ideology is as irrelevant as that any THEIST may hold to other unrelated ideologies. 

You were specifically asked to identify exactly what you thought atheist ideology was because you BROUGHT IT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Now that you are challenged on this, you are running and hiding, because you know full well that there is no such thing as an atheist ideology. It was simply a blunt instrument to beat us with and you thought you would get away with such dishonesty.

Once again, I ask the question. I don't care what any other ideologies any atheist or theist may hold. Those are irrelevant. 
What is "atheist ideology"? You clearly believe one exists. Tell us what you think it is. 

Or admit that you have no clue what such and ideology may or may not be and you simply made it up.

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I pointed out the relevant part, just in case you are confused (about what you said). Now, please back your original claim, particlualy regarding atheists.

Unfortunately I haven't documented every relevant conversation I've had over the past decades. 

A glance at statements made by Anomalocaris should show that statistical accuracy or empirical evidence is of less concern to him than expressing disapproval of a certain large group of people. His case is often extreme but far from rare. 

Why do you suppose I'm the only one on this forum who calls him out when he makes wildly exaggerated and unprovable claims? 

Why are you making wildly exagerated and unprovable claims?

Prove atheists have an ideology. Start by identifying that ideology. Then prove all atheists have it. Or even a majority.

Once again you are bullshitting as likely instructed by your pastor/guru.

[Belacqua]

You claimed there was an atheist ideology and now that it is pointed out that there is none such you are attempting "duck and cover". That any atheist may hold to any other unrelated ideology is as irrelevant as that any THEIST may hold to other unrelated ideologies. 

Please review the thread.
I have never said that there is such a thing as "atheist ideology."

[Abaddon_ire]

You claimed there was an atheist ideology and now that it is pointed out that there is none such you are attempting "duck and cover". That any atheist may hold to any other unrelated ideology is as irrelevant as that any THEIST may hold to other unrelated ideologies. 

Please review the thread.
I have never said that there is such a thing as "atheist ideology."

Of course you didn't. You simply implied one, in keeping with your habit of being a "no-claimer". I could cite your weasel words, but you would spout more to evade responsibility.

Anyway, you claimed in this thread that atheists held ideologies and that they were atheist ideologies that they held.

Start with...

My experience is that it is very much NOT true, of either atheists or religious people. 

Commitment to an ideological position nearly always takes precedence.

Thus atheists, in your view have an ideological position.

You then expanded to many ideologies when challenged...

Please detail the ideology of atheism.

Atheists, like theists, may subscribe to a wide variety of ideologies. 

Any human being who says "I think the world should be this instead of that way" has an ideology, including atheists.

Which was utterly irrelevant.

And in your very next post, you appealled to a hymn. A fucking hymn. Composed by an indoctrinated child, no less.

They still believe it is true that Christ exists.

There's a hymn my niece put up on her Facebook page, called "Christ has no body now but yours." Many modern Christians think that Christ "exists" when we do Christlike things, and in no other way. William Blake says something similar.

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Claiming pious belief in the noble principle that such an evil thing as gravity can't exist does not excuse those who pushes other off of tall buildings.

Ooh, deep. Completely irrelevant, but deep.

And proceeded to hurl mockery at Anom while failing to understand his post.

It is interesting that you resorted to religious child abuse at this point. Really? A"hymn"? Composed by an indoctrinated child? This should impress who exactly?

And you then follow up with this blatant christian propaganda...

William Blake?

Blake was a Christian. He was deeply knowledgable about the traditional theology which doesn't hold that God is a mean sky-daddy who lives on a cloud. Studying his work gives us access to other religious thinkers, like Buber, Weil, etc., who disagree with the dumb sola scriptura literalists.

I am an atheist. What gullible theists like Blake, Buber or Weil might claim is kind of irrelevant, don't you think?

But your reliance on such dubious sources paints you into the very corner that you have been trying to avoid in pursuit of your cloak of being impartial.

Whatever. You and I both know that you are a christian attempting to blag your way into an atheist community.

So long as we both know this, then all is well. You know I am being honest and I know that you are not.

And so does everyone else who can read.

ETA: Of course, you could clear all of this up with a plain statement of what exactly your position really is. So far, you refuse to do so. I suppose that is on you.

[Belacqua]

You simply implied one

This was your interpretation. I never said anything like that, nor do I think it.

What gullible theists like Blake, Buber or Weil might claim is kind of irrelevant, don't you think?

It depends on what they're saying. 

If they are recommending something wise and good, it is relevant to my life. 

I'm not convinced that they were "gullible." In their writings they were brilliant. 

You and I both know that you are a christian attempting to blag your way into an atheist community.

So long as we both know this, then all is well. You know I am being honest and I know that you are not.

And so does everyone else who can read.

This is your interpretation of me. I know myself better than you do, so I know it isn't true.

I can speculate, too: it may be that my own experiences have led me to think about things differently than some other people. Then when my opinions or practices don't align with what seems true to them, they assume I must be lying.

[GrandizerII]

Please review the thread.
I have never said that there is such a thing as "atheist ideology."

Of course you didn't. You simply implied one, in keeping with your habit of being a "no-claimer". I could cite your weasel words, but you would spout more to evade responsibility.

Anyway, you claimed in this thread that atheists held ideologies and that they were atheist ideologies that they held.

Start with...

My experience is that it is very much NOT true, of either atheists or religious people. 

Commitment to an ideological position nearly always takes precedence.

Thus atheists, in your view have an ideological position.

You then expanded to many ideologies when challenged...

Atheists, like theists, may subscribe to a wide variety of ideologies. 

Any human being who says "I think the world should be this instead of that way" has an ideology, including atheists.

Which was utterly irrelevant.

And in your very next post, you appealled to a hymn. A fucking hymn. Composed by an indoctrinated child, no less.

There's a hymn my niece put up on her Facebook page, called "Christ has no body now but yours." Many modern Christians think that Christ "exists" when we do Christlike things, and in no other way. William Blake says something similar.

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Ooh, deep. Completely irrelevant, but deep.

And proceeded to hurl mockery at Anom while failing to understand his post.

It is interesting that you resorted to religious child abuse at this point. Really? A"hymn"? Composed by an indoctrinated child? This should impress who exactly?

And you then follow up with this blatant christian propaganda...

Blake was a Christian. He was deeply knowledgable about the traditional theology which doesn't hold that God is a mean sky-daddy who lives on a cloud. Studying his work gives us access to other religious thinkers, like Buber, Weil, etc., who disagree with the dumb sola scriptura literalists.

I am an atheist. What gullible theists like Blake, Buber or Weil might claim is kind of irrelevant, don't you think?

But your reliance on such dubious sources paints you into the very corner that you have been trying to avoid in pursuit of your cloak of being impartial.

Whatever. You and I both know that you are a christian attempting to blag your way into an atheist community.

So long as we both know this, then all is well. You know I am being honest and I know that you are not.

And so does everyone else who can read.

ETA: Of course, you could clear all of this up with a plain statement of what exactly your position really is. So far, you refuse to do so. I suppose that is on you.

This is a silly. I have my frustrations with some of the things Belaqua says, but consider rereading what he's saying because it's clear to me he's not saying what you accuse him of saying. Similar shit is happening in the soul thread as well. We all make reading errors but come on guys, when something has been answered or clarified, read them properly when you can and don't try to find faults just for the sake of it, and/or pretend he wasn't clear.