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More religious liberty in Ohio
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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 20, 2019 at 9:29 am
This is not defending religious liberty, this is an attempt for the insecure to undermine facts.
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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 20, 2019 at 10:39 am
(November 20, 2019 at 9:29 am)Brian37 Wrote: This is not defending religious liberty, this is an attempt for the insecure to undermine facts.

*gently and repeatedly thumps his head on the desk*

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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 20, 2019 at 10:40 am
(November 20, 2019 at 8:58 am)polymath257 Wrote: The problem in the bill is decide *which* academic standards are to be used. Let's give a scenario.

Suppose we are in a geology class and the teacher asks when the Jurassic period was. One student gives ana answer of 8250 years ago.

Can the teacher mark it wrong?

The student claims that this is the correct answer according to their religion and it conforms to the conclusions of the Institute for Creation Research, so it passes *their* religions academic standards.

According to this law, as stated, the teacher cannot give the student a lower grade for that answer.

And that is fundamentally wrong.

Quote:Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns

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#34
RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 20, 2019 at 3:35 pm
What a strange country we live in. I have no issue with someone holding their own religious beliefs. But you can't tell me 2+2 is 5 when it is actually 4 because of your religious beliefs.
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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 20, 2019 at 3:49 pm
(November 20, 2019 at 3:35 pm)Atomic Lava Wrote: What a strange country we live in. I have no issue with someone holding their own religious beliefs. But you can't tell me 2+2 is 5 when it is actually 4 because of your religious beliefs.

That's not what the bill says.  (But I do agree that you live in a strange country.)

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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 20, 2019 at 3:53 pm
(November 20, 2019 at 10:40 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(November 20, 2019 at 8:58 am)polymath257 Wrote: The problem in the bill is decide *which* academic standards are to be used. Let's give a scenario.

Suppose we are in a geology class and the teacher asks when the Jurassic period was. One student gives ana answer of 8250 years ago.

Can the teacher mark it wrong?

The student claims that this is the correct answer according to their religion and it conforms to the conclusions of the Institute for Creation Research, so it passes *their* religions academic standards.

According to this law, as stated, the teacher cannot give the student a lower grade for that answer.

And that is fundamentally wrong.

Quote:Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns

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So, according with the interpretation, its a law that has no action. I suppose those lawmakers need to show work done to their voters, to justify their paychecks. Heh, can't blame them.
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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 20, 2019 at 5:38 pm
(November 20, 2019 at 3:53 pm)LastPoet Wrote:
(November 20, 2019 at 10:40 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Boru

So, according with the interpretation, its a law that has no action. I suppose those lawmakers need to show work done to their voters, to justify their paychecks. Heh, can't blame them.

That's probably the fairest assessment of the law so far.

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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 20, 2019 at 8:11 pm (This post was last modified: November 20, 2019 at 8:12 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Its the fairest outcome, but not the fairest assessment. Ohio is a battleground state for nutballs selling jesus. They are emphatically not interested in religious liberty, of any kind, which is a term of art...for nutballs selling jesus.
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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 20, 2019 at 11:14 pm (This post was last modified: November 20, 2019 at 11:15 pm by Fake Messiah.)
(November 19, 2019 at 2:27 pm)brewer Wrote: Under the law, students can’t be penalized if their work is scientifically wrong as long as the reasoning is because of their religious beliefs."

So wait, if Christians claim to be pro science then why do they need laws to allow them to go against science?
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RE: More religious liberty in Ohio
November 21, 2019 at 8:29 am
(November 20, 2019 at 11:14 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(November 19, 2019 at 2:27 pm)brewer Wrote: Under the law, students can’t be penalized if their work is scientifically wrong as long as the reasoning is because of their religious beliefs."

So wait, if Christians claim to be pro science then why do they need laws to allow  them to go against science?

You need a book on situational ethics, I think.
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