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Can the US be relied upon?
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RE: Can the US be relied upon?
[Image: U.S._Navy_Battle_Group_Echo_underway_in_...483%29.jpg]
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RE: Can the US be relied upon?
(January 14, 2020 at 6:22 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: [Image: U.S._Navy_Battle_Group_Echo_underway_in_...483%29.jpg]

Does the US still have BBs on active duty?
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
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#23
RE: Can the US be relied upon?
Dunno. I retired in 1989.
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#24
RE: Can the US be relied upon?
(January 14, 2020 at 6:22 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: [Image: U.S._Navy_Battle_Group_Echo_underway_in_...483%29.jpg]


So?

Of all the ships in that photo,  there is only a single one that belongs to a class which still has some members in service.

(January 12, 2020 at 7:38 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: MoD plan future without US alliance

Well here's a measure of just how far the US has fallen under Trump.

I suspect this is nothing more than political ploy to create the impression in advance of Brexit that Britain is even capable of preparing for going it alone in the world.    

The notion that Britain is capable of actually becoming prepared to go it alone is too risible even for a government of the trump pale to attempt to promote, so it is settling for the strategy of claiming it is doing something to make people feel good even if no one believes what is being attempted can conceivably be accomplished.
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RE: Can the US be relied upon?
(January 14, 2020 at 6:11 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: Would you like to provide any evidence for your claims or do you expect us to take it on faith?

Same applies to you. You're just listing a load of things without explanation or evidence and ignoring arguments to the contrary. And as you are the one that stated the claim then the onus is on you to provide evidence. So tell us why you personally object to these things, and don't assume that you are talking on behalf of the British people. I'm a Brit and I fundamentally disagree with you.
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RE: Can the US be relied upon?
(January 15, 2020 at 2:04 am)Aomalocaris Wrote: So?

Of all the ships in that photo,  there is only a single one that belongs to a class which still has some members in service.

Yeah i figured when i saw the Long Beach.  Hehe
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#27
RE: Can the US be relied upon?
It would be interesting to see how belonging to the EU is responsible for rural blight. Maybe the US should get out of the EU to reverse it!
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RE: Can the US be relied upon?
(January 15, 2020 at 3:20 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(January 14, 2020 at 6:11 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: Would you like to provide any evidence for your claims or do you expect us to take it on faith?

Same applies to you. You're just listing a load of things without explanation or evidence and ignoring arguments to the contrary. And as you are the one that stated the claim then the onus is on you to provide evidence. So tell us why you personally object to these things, and don't assume that you are talking on behalf of the British people. I'm a Brit and I fundamentally disagree with you.

I did provide evidence, or certainly pointed in the direction of the evidence;

referendum results

VAT on sanitary products

Common Fisheries Policy

EU fines

EU Tariffs  (For those that don't seem to know what they are)
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
-Esquilax

Evolution - Adapt or be eaten.
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RE: Can the US be relied upon?
(January 15, 2020 at 4:50 am)Mr Greene Wrote: I did provide evidence, or certainly pointed in the direction of the evidence;

So let's remove the pointless links that you are adding in to pad out your post (unless you want to say something about them that is)


(January 15, 2020 at 4:50 am)Mr Greene Wrote: referendum results

EU Tariffs (For those that don't seem to know what they are)

... and let's look at the links which you provided which could possibly be used as evidence for your statement that "Regarding leaving the EU; Brussels has ignored us for 30 years and pushed ahead with projects to which we object at a fundamental level."


(January 15, 2020 at 4:50 am)Mr Greene Wrote: VAT on sanitary products

Quote:Tampons and other ‘sanitary protection products’ are currently classed as ‘luxury’, ‘non-essential’ products, and the government have stated that EU rules stop them from lowering the VAT any further than 5% or scrapping the tax entirely.

Germany scraps 'tampon tax,' as menstrual products not a 'luxury'




How come Ireland and Malta don't have a tampon tax then? They are in the EU. Sounds like an excuse by the British government to keep the tampon tax and blame the EU instead.



(January 15, 2020 at 4:50 am)Mr Greene Wrote: EU fines

Quote:A consistent problem, arising from the way EU legislation is designed, is that penalties for breaking EU rules are not set consistently across the bloc.

So you're arguing that each country has freedom to set its own penalties for breaking EU rules and that this is a bad thing? And that this is a reason for leaving the EU? To do what instead?

Would you prefer it then if the EU specified the penalties that we should set?



(January 15, 2020 at 4:50 am)Mr Greene Wrote: Common Fisheries Policy


Privatising the seas: how the UK turned fishing rights into a commodity


Once again, the British government has sold off the family silver and blamed someone else.

Quote:“In essence, fisheries have been accidentally privatised,” New Economics Foundation researcher Griffin Carpenter told MPs tasked with scrutinising the fisheries bill. “Every year, quota is allocated to the same holders, and there is a legitimate expectation that that continues in future.

“The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs and other organisations are too scared to break that hold on the quota and say, ‘This year we will allocate quota differently.’ It has not been done; it is basically privatised now the claim is so strong.




(January 13, 2020 at 7:07 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: Name them? Common Agricultural policy, Common Fisheries Policy, Common Currency, EU Army, Federalisation, VAT, Trade Tariffs, Fiscal penalties for infringement of EU regs undermining the justice system, weren't you paying attention at any point in the last three decades?

Please explain your objection to:
  • Common Currency
  • EU Army
  • Federalisation
  • VAT
  • Trade Tariffs
  • Fiscal penalties for infringement of EU regs
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#30
RE: Can the US be relied upon?
TBH The bulk of the issues boil down to the fact that EU legislation isn't supposed to be applied directly to Member States legal systems.
Every other country goes through a process of scrutiny and applies amendments to Brussels' (One size fits nobody) output. 
Except Tony 'Rubber-stamp' Blair and his flatmate...
EU revenue is 15% VAT, 20% Tariffs, 65% Fines.
It's an open secret that the EU uses the legal system to fund itself which is why everyone else amends the regulations to reduce the effect on their population. But Tony didn't do amendments so Britain took the full whack and was being bled dry. The situation was so bad Brussels actually gave us a rebate, but that of course went to HM Treasury and the plebs that were being bankrupted never saw a penny.
So we're left with a small mountain of legislation to wade through to get back to something resembling sanity.
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
-Esquilax

Evolution - Adapt or be eaten.
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