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[Serious] Giordano Bruno
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RE: Giordano Bruno
February 18, 2020 at 6:58 pm
(This post was last modified: February 18, 2020 at 6:59 pm by Belacqua.)
(February 18, 2020 at 6:36 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: And you also said 'other times, other customs', which is nothing more or less than an attempted exoneration of reprehensible behavior. The Church could have imprisoned Bruno. They could have forbidden the publication of any of his writings on pain of excommunication (which still carried some weight). They could have banned him from Italy. They could have banished him from Europe altogether. But they chose to set him on fire. And your excuse for them doing so was that Bruno was a very naughty boy. No, it is not "nothing more or less than an attempted exoneration." It is an acknowledgment that people in the bad old days used harsher punishments than we do now. I do not approve of them. I agree that all of the other punishments you list would have been better. Please do not put words in my mouth. I am not excusing burning as punishment. (February 18, 2020 at 6:18 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:Quote:What's asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. That's fine. I didn't expect you would be able to offer evidence or logical argument. You use unsupported assertion and personal insult. That's the kind of person you are. RE: Giordano Bruno
February 18, 2020 at 7:04 pm
(This post was last modified: February 18, 2020 at 7:08 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
(February 18, 2020 at 6:56 pm)TimOneill Wrote: Your latest failure to substantiate your childish slur is noted. Try again. Where is this supposed "fact" somehow "documented"? Try answering this time.That's certainly an opinion a very wrong opinion but what can you do .I don't need to try Tim it's already done . Again Tim your asking me to prove to you a hack and a liar .That you are a hack and a liar ......seems legit (February 18, 2020 at 6:58 pm)Belacqua Wrote:Yes it is fine(February 18, 2020 at 6:36 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: And you also said 'other times, other customs', which is nothing more or less than an attempted exoneration of reprehensible behavior. The Church could have imprisoned Bruno. They could have forbidden the publication of any of his writings on pain of excommunication (which still carried some weight). They could have banned him from Italy. They could have banished him from Europe altogether. But they chose to set him on fire. And your excuse for them doing so was that Bruno was a very naughty boy. To who you ? Nah i state facts and tell i like it is .That's the kind of person i am and Tim's not Now about that cream
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse! “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?” –SHIRLEY CHISHOLM (February 18, 2020 at 7:04 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:(February 18, 2020 at 6:56 pm)TimOneill Wrote: Your latest failure to substantiate your childish slur is noted. Try again. Where is this supposed "fact" somehow "documented"? Try answering this time.That's certainly an opinion a very wrong opinion but what can you do .I don't need to try Tim it's already done . Again Tim your asking me to prove to you a hack and a liar .That you are a hack and a liar ......seems legit More childish gibberish. I'll give you a third and last chance - substantiate your claim or get reported as an abusive troll. "Documented" where? "Already done" where? RE: Giordano Bruno
February 18, 2020 at 7:17 pm
(This post was last modified: February 18, 2020 at 7:18 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
Quote:More childish gibberish.Again another bad take i'm afraid Quote:I'll give you a third and last chanceHow generous but my statement remains the same Quote:substantiate your claim or get reported as an abusive troll.Prove to a hack and liar that he's a hack and liar or get reported as a troll which i am not...Hmm Quote:"Documented" where? "Already done" where?Show a hack and a lair where the proof he's a hack and a liar is .........Hmmm
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse! “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?” –SHIRLEY CHISHOLM (February 18, 2020 at 7:17 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:Quote:*More childish trolling snipped* Okay, you're obviously a stupid troll, so you've been reported and I'm putting you on "Ignore". But thanks for providing this week's example in a long succession of supposed "rationalists" who turn into weird screaming toddlers when their pseudo historical fairy tales are debunked. Goodbye. Quote:Okay, you're obviously a stupid troll,Nope but i can see why you need to dismiss me as such Quote:so you've been reported and I'm putting you on "Ignore". I can see why you would need too Quote:But thanks for providing this week's example in a long succession of supposed "rationalists" who turn into weird screaming toddlers when their pseudo historical fairy tales are debunked.Too bad i didn't and you didn't Quote: Goodbye.Goodbye have fun continuing to lie .I know i wouldn't .
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse! “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?” –SHIRLEY CHISHOLM "GIORDANO BRUNO" (1548 – 17 February 1600), by Demetrios MANIOTIS (1923-1985)
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RE: Giordano Bruno
February 19, 2020 at 12:47 am
(This post was last modified: February 19, 2020 at 12:49 am by Belacqua.)
(February 18, 2020 at 8:18 pm)chimp3 Wrote: "GIORDANO BRUNO" (1548 – 17 February 1600), Here's a recent picture of Julian Assange. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/f...xtradition He has been held in solitary confinement and denied adequate medical care. In any age, it is dangerous to challenge the existing power structure. Here's a photo of Martin Luther King's assassination: https://www.biography.com/news/martin-lu...assination When King began to protest effectively against the Vietnam War, LBJ withdrew his Secret Service protection, knowing full well it was an almost-certain death sentence. In any age, it is dangerous to challenge the existing power structure. Burning people is bad. Withholding adequate medical care is bad. Withdrawing necessary protection is bad.
Currently people are discussing me in the Shoutbox. There isn't room there for me to respond adequately.
Here is a recent post: Quote:Bruno execution had everything to do with the church forcing its bullshit upon those who would rather not buy that particular bullshit, and you can count on belacque to quibble about that present it as if it something less than an indictment of the Christianity. Obviously this is not standard English. As far as I can tell, the poster is saying that I am trying to quibble in order to make Bruno's execution "something less than an indictment of the Christianity." I do not see Bruno's execution as an indictment of "the" Christianity. Because Christianity is a lot of things, and there is not just one thing that is "the" Christianity. It is certainly an indictment of the Catholic Church at that time. They used force to silence someone who wanted to overthrow them and replace them with an equally wacko occult movement. I have argued that the church took this action due to a challenge to its power. It had nothing to do with science. Bruno was not a scientist. If Bruno were posting his ideas on this forum, the same people who are criticizing me would be insulting him. His ideas are as unbelievable as the very worst of Christianity. Somehow he has become a poster boy for New Atheists because, I guess, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I have only argued that people should not misrepresent the reasons behind his execution. The "conflict theory," which says that religion is always opposed to science, is false. History shows that no such opposition is typical or consistent. To be clear, let me repeat a number of things which I have said, which don't seem to be getting through: ~ The execution was bad. ~ It is bad to burn people. ~ Powerful institutions, when challenged, are likely to respond with violence. ~ Responding with violence is almost always bad. |
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