So, what is it that Trump should have done differently?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Which isn’t surprising. Trump’s been captain for more than three years and still hasn’t read his job description.

Boru

The fucker couldn't find Waldo if he was standing in front of him. And he doesn't think of himself as a "Captain" he thinks of himself as an authoritarian.

Ok, then.

Boru

[Prof.Lunaphiles]

The only thing he did early is a travel ban.  Yeah, he's been a racist nationalist all along so I can totally see him doing that.  The fact that he only shut down travel to and from China was the problem.  But there was a LOT more he could have done to get us ready. {/quote] i doubt it - I think you would have resisted anything he would have said. He was impeached and allowed to go by the corrupt Senate. 

[quote='TaraJo' pid='1969180' dateline='1587210099']Remember how he's blaming Obama for not maintaining the emergency stock of medical supplies?  What was he doing over the past 3 years?  Why didn't he do that?

Well, its one of those things - do we know if anybody asked Trump to order more? Why didn't the congressional oversight committees not respond to the inventory discrepency?

Remember the pandemic response team?  Trump ditched them.  They might have had a better idea on how to deal with this before it became a pandemic.  

If they have not generated a warning system, then they are irrelevant, if not liable. They should have issued an order for the inventory discrepency.

Remember how he told everyone to go to work, even if they're feeling sick?  How many infections would have been prevented if he had not said that?  

Remember how he said it would disappear with warm weather?  When he said it was a hoax by the democrats/media?  Remember when he said there were just 15 cases and soon there would be none?  

Remember how he bitched and moaned about who was to blame for the virus instead of finding a solution to it?

That looks very damning - can we do anything about it? Couldn't the Democrat leadership notice this breach of conduct and issue a stay at home suggestion? Couldn't the governors or mayors lead the people? Why is the president responsible???

Remember how he's not actually shut down very much, instead relying on the individual states to shut everything down?  Having individual states write their own shut down rules is like having a peeing section for your pool.

How come the states health departments did not have a warning system of shut down rules?

Remember how he's been more worried about the stock market and the economy than people's lives?  
The American electorate has always had a painfully short memory.  I'm afraid that's going to happen this time, too.  The disease will be resolved and a few months later, we're going to forget who botched our response to it.  I guess that's what happens to people who constantly have their ears plugged into right wing spin doctors.

Most people are going to realize that they need to elect better state leaders. Why didn't the governors do their duty to safeguard their citizens - they have all the same tools and ability to interpret what the federal health and World Health Organization recommend, and they can improve on the recommendations

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Prof.Lunaphiles

The only thing he did early is a travel ban.  Yeah, he's been a racist nationalist all along so I can totally see him doing that.  The fact that he only shut down travel to and from China was the problem.  But there was a LOT more he could have done to get us ready. {/quote] i doubt it - I think you would have resisted anything he would have said. He was impeached and allowed to go by the corrupt Senate. 

Remember how he's blaming Obama for not maintaining the emergency stock of medical supplies?  What was he doing over the past 3 years?  Why didn't he do that?

Well, its one of those things - do we know if anybody asked Trump to order more? Why didn't the congressional oversight committees not respond to the inventory discrepency?

Remember the pandemic response team?  Trump ditched them.  They might have had a better idea on how to deal with this before it became a pandemic.  

If they have not generated a warning system, then they are irrelevant, if not liable. They should have issued an order for the inventory discrepency.

Remember how he told everyone to go to work, even if they're feeling sick?  How many infections would have been prevented if he had not said that?  

Remember how he said it would disappear with warm weather?  When he said it was a hoax by the democrats/media?  Remember when he said there were just 15 cases and soon there would be none?  

Remember how he bitched and moaned about who was to blame for the virus instead of finding a solution to it?

That looks very damning - can we do anything about it? Couldn't the Democrat leadership notice this breach of conduct and issue a stay at home suggestion? Couldn't the governors or mayors lead the people? Why is the president responsible???

Remember how he's not actually shut down very much, instead relying on the individual states to shut everything down?  Having individual states write their own shut down rules is like having a peeing section for your pool.

How come the states health departments did not have a warning system of shut down rules?

Remember how he's been more worried about the stock market and the economy than people's lives?  
The American electorate has always had a painfully short memory.  I'm afraid that's going to happen this time, too.  The disease will be resolved and a few months later, we're going to forget who botched our response to it.  I guess that's what happens to people who constantly have their ears plugged into right wing spin doctors.

Most people are going to realize that they need to elect better state leaders. Why didn't the governors do their duty to safeguard their citizens - they have all the same tools and ability to interpret what the federal health and World Health Organization recommend, and they can improve on the recommendations

It’s very telling that your preferred way to defend Trump is to point out mistakes made by other people.

 Why is the president responsible???

He isn’t. In fact, he’s been stunningly IRresponsible. If he could behave in a responsible fashion, you lot might not be in the mess you’re in now.

Boru

[Prof.Lunaphiles]

Trump should have taken the threat seriously LONG before he did. Closing the border to China was helpful, but neglecting the internal readiness was criminal.

Do you think he will be impeached again?

Trump should NOT have been promoting untested treatments. He put many lives in danger by his actions.

He did it - what's going to happen? Why did the governors and mayors, and doctors allow it???

Trump should have prepared so that states do not now have to compete against each other for vital supplies. Instead, the federal government should be supplying those necessities. By his failure to act, he has put more lives in danger.

Why didn't the individual states check on the inventory - you know, sort of a check and balance thingy.

Trump should take responsibility for his failures and seek for ways to rectify them instead of placing blame on anyone and everyone else.

you see failures, because you hate Trump. You have no idea what all has happened, and you are not recognizing that the Senators, and Representatives and governors, and all the hierarchy of health departments are at fault for not cooperating in making sure the states are prepared for an epidemic. There is all kinds of blame to go around. you just don't have the smarts to figure it out, because it is a very chaotic system, and all you hear is people blaming Trump

If Trump was too distracted by the impeachment proceedings, which had already run their course by the time the virus showed up, then he isn't fit for the office of the president. Other presidents have continued to do their duties in spite of harsh criticism and even impeachment.

He was not distracted - you were. You were praying for a conviction, and that he would have been removed, and the Vice-president would have made everything better.

During the impeachment trial the Senate Majority leader announced a Congressional meet concerning the CoronaVirus - do you remember what Speaker Pelosi and Leader Schumer said afterwards???

Trump should NOT have been trumpeting his 'ratings' when the country is in crisis. At the very least it shows a lack of perspective.

Trump should have told the truth early and often about the risks and to be honest about what is known and not known. he seems to be completely unable to do this in any endeavor, but it was necessary for safety in this one.
All that Trump has done is show that he is an egotistical, incompetent blowhard who fails to take responsibility for his own failures.

Why can't they get rid of him???

[The Architect Of Fate]

Well, its one of those things - do we know if anybody asked Trump to order more? Why didn't the congressional oversight committees not respond to the inventory discrepency?

He was asked to order more he didn't and even if he wasn't he was warned about a senerio jus like his when he came into office .He had three years to prepare.He didn't .This attempt at blame shifting is pathetic 

If they have not generated a warning system, then they are irrelevant, if not liable. They should have issued an order for the inventory discrepency.

Or Trump should have because he was warned and he's freaking charge .More blame shifting 

That looks very damning - can we do anything about it? Couldn't the Democrat leadership notice this breach of conduct and issue a stay at home suggestion? Couldn't the governors or mayors lead the people? Why is the president responsible???

The Democrats are not in the white house .Trump is .Blaming governors is weak sauce Trump was warned and should have had a plan  

How come the states health departments did not have a warning system of shut down rules?

How come Trump didn't have a plan ?

Most people are going to realize that they need to elect better state leaders. Why didn't the governors do their duty to safeguard their citizens - they have all the same tools and ability to interpret what the federal health and World Health Organization recommend, and they can improve on the recommendations

Again more blame shifting . Trump failed to prepare the country .He's he president so the buck stops with him.

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Do you think he will be impeached again?

Whether he is or not is irrelevant to the fact he mess up 

He did it - what's going to happen? Why did the governors and mayors, and doctors allow it???

Why did he push a untested cure ? 

Why didn't the individual states check on the inventory - you know, sort of a check and balance thingy.

Why didn't Trump make sure they did in his three years in office .Why didn't he make sure federal stock were full ?

More pathetic blame shifting .

you see failures, because you hate Trump. You have no idea what all has happened, and you are not recognizing that the Senators, and Representatives and governors, and all the hierarchy of health departments are at fault for not cooperating in making sure the states are prepared for an epidemic. There is all kinds of blame to go around. you just don't have the smarts to figure it out, because it is a very chaotic system, and all you hear is people blaming Trump

I see failure because their was failure and your weak appeals to motivation don't change that nor does your sad attempts at blaming everyone but the guy in charge and Trump had a huge hand in creating that chaos so fuck off with the excuse making .

continued to do their duties in spite of harsh criticism and even impeachment.

He was not distracted - you were. You were praying for a conviction, and that he would have been removed, and the Vice-president would have made everything better.

Impeachment had fuck all to do with anything so bringing it up is a red herring 

During the impeachment trial the Senate Majority leader announced a Congressional meet concerning the CoronaVirus - do you remember what Speaker Pelosi and Leader Schumer said afterwards???

Neither of them is the president so i don't care

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Prof.Lunaphiles

It’s very telling that your preferred way to defend Trump is to point out mistakes made by other people.

 Why is the president responsible???

He isn’t. In fact, he’s been stunningly IRresponsible. If he could behave in a responsible fashion, you lot might not be in the mess you’re in now.

Boru

He isn't but by job title he's suppose to be .And i know right his power to try and blame everyone but Trump is hilarious .

Kind of reminds me of Mao Zedong blaming everyone in his government for his failures .It wasn't his fault it was this official or that official or his opposition or the people or the west et etc etc

[LastPoet]

Prof.Lunaphiles

It’s very telling that your preferred way to defend Trump is to point out mistakes made by other people.

 Why is the president responsible???

He isn’t. In fact, he’s been stunningly IRresponsible. If he could behave in a responsible fashion, you lot might not be in the mess you’re in now.

Boru

It is there for everyone to see. Over here, the opposition reckoned the gravity of the situation and sided with the government. Small Portugal will undoubtedly get economic recession, we know that from the face of the finance minister at press conferences. Oh well another one, we are kinda getting used to it.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Interesting Trump tweet from 2013
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/dona...ri18n=true

Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.

Huh about that.

[TaraJo]

Here I thought Trump was supposed to be our national leader.  You know, the person responsible for making these kinds of big decisions.  

Also, here's a little fun fact:  Obama warned us that we would need to prepare for an upcoming pandemic all the way back in 2014.  Unfortunately, congressional republicans were being so obstructionist with everything he did that he wasn't able to make any preparations.  Again, Trump had three years and congress was willing to work with him, so why didn't he do anything to prepare?

[Deesse23]

Here I thought Trump was supposed to be our national leader.  You know, the person responsible for making these kinds of big decisions.  

Also, here's a little fun fact:  Obama warned us that we would need to prepare for an upcoming pandemic all the way back in 2014.  Unfortunately, congressional republicans were being so obstructionist with everything he did that he wasn't able to make any preparations.  Again, Trump had three years and congress was willing to work with him, so why didn't he do anything to prepare?

He was too busy campaigning and smearing other people.

[CarveTheFive]

ALMOST every American then.

Again, bullshit. 99% of the public has nothing to do with anything unless they're lead by the nose.

I guess I’m out of step with the general consensus but I feel like people all over the world are greatly underestimating this because they’re thinking in terms of weeks instead of years. We know it’s contagious but we still take chances. I get it. That’s just life. I’ll be called a kook, an alarmist, hysteric but I think our individualistic me first culture has already made it impossible to contain. We also don’t know how bad it is (or isn’t). Mortality rates for the first wave of symptoms with a virus we don’t understand doesn’t mean symptoms aren’t going to reappear again and again or have long term degenerative neurological effects.

It seems to me just staying away from others for a couple years is a small sacrifice to see what we’re dealing with first but instead people act like a few weeks is an incredible burden.