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RE: God Exists
June 2, 2020 at 10:04 pm
Quote:On the other hand, the problem you suggested with omniscience isn't relevant for any Christian or classical theist of any kind.
You posit that it takes time for information to travel and therefore God can't know everything. For this objection to work, you would have to posit that God has a spatial location separate from other locations. Since by their definition God is not material and is immanent in all space, the travel time isn't an issue.
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RE: God Exists
June 2, 2020 at 10:27 pm
As long as we're making up god powers,........... god is the original spooky action at a distance.
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RE: God Exists
June 2, 2020 at 11:44 pm
This all reminds me of the phrase....
"If you could reason with religious people, there wouldn't be any religious people."
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RE: God Exists
June 3, 2020 at 12:31 am
At work.
(June 2, 2020 at 4:02 pm)Belacqua Wrote: (June 2, 2020 at 12:59 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Yes, I tried to point out some of the problems with 'Omniscience' and Brokenreflector doesn't seem to grasp such things.
Cheers.
Brokenreflector gets pleasure from being nasty, so there's no point in engaging with him.
On the other hand, the problem you suggested with omniscience isn't relevant for any Christian or classical theist of any kind.
You posit that it takes time for information to travel and therefore God can't know everything. For this objection to work, you would have to posit that God has a spatial location separate from other locations. Since by their definition God is not material and is immanent in all space, the travel time isn't an issue.
So.... by the above definition said diety does not, effectivly, exist 'Within' this reality..... It's (Effectivly) the same.... dare I posit 'Synonymous' (Do-doo, de, do-do) as not existing?
Cool, glad we've sorted that out.
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RE: God Exists
June 3, 2020 at 12:18 pm
Power is measurable
Intelligence is measurable
Awareness is measurable
How did you determine that your god has any of these traits and how did you determine it's level at these traits ?
Answer: You didn't determine any of these traits. You DEFINED the fictional character as having these traits.
That's what makes the character fictional. A definition of traits, not an observation or measurement of traits.
As we talked about before, Superman has defined traits. They aren't measured traits, not observed traits.
A god, your God only has defined traits. It has zero measured traits. Zero observed traits.
And that's because your god is a work of fiction, a concept in your mind that holds ZERO traits of existence.
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RE: God Exists
June 3, 2020 at 10:38 pm
(May 30, 2020 at 11:57 pm)brokenreflector Wrote: (May 30, 2020 at 11:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: You forgot to add "according to my mythology"
[My] argument is purely based on reason and contemporary science.
You make no argument. You merely assert.
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RE: God Exists
June 3, 2020 at 11:32 pm
I like how god slips out of the pocket of "eternal cause," where it is just a philosophical possibility, and into the account of the Christian god, where it attains full glory as the all father, a perfect man we best not question. That's one slick move, but there was nothing in that pocket to begin with. Tricks on you.
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RE: God Exists
June 4, 2020 at 12:07 am
(June 3, 2020 at 11:32 pm)Ranjr Wrote: I like how god slips out of the pocket of "eternal cause," where it is just a philosophical possibility, and into the account of the Christian god, where it attains full glory as the all father, a perfect man we best not question. That's one slick move, but there was nothing in that pocket to begin with. Tricks on you.
'There is an uncaused cause.'
'Yes, and?'
Then a car backfires in the street and by the time the audience turns their attention back to the stage this uncaused cause is now Yahweh the god of the bible. Aye it's a neat trick right enough.
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RE: God Exists
June 15, 2020 at 3:07 pm
good post!
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RE: God Exists
June 16, 2020 at 8:49 am
(June 15, 2020 at 3:07 pm)lestersoto Wrote: good post!
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