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RE: HBO removes Gone with the wind.
June 11, 2020 at 2:57 pm
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(June 11, 2020 at 2:17 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: There is a podcast I listen to that is mostly about the lives of old movie actors and often the scandals surrounding them.
A few months ago they did an extended series on the Disney movie 'Song of the South' that came out in 1946. I remember seeing this played on the Wonderful World of Disney when I was a kid and may actually have seen it in a theater when I was really young.
It's been pulled from their collection and won't be rereleased. Holy Moly...the racism and stereotypes in that movie are unnerving. As a little kid I just liked the music and it was one of the first live action/animation films I recall seeing. I am pretty sure I had the Uncle Remus books and I clearly recall Br'er Rabbit stories.
I am not sure exactly how I feel about censoring films. They are a reflection of the time in which they were made. But I don't have a problem with a company deciding they want to pull something from their lineup.
Do we pull 'To Kill a Mockingbird' because it's depicts the times and then erase the message conveyed?
Gets a little dicey, I think. Or we could do the same thing and put it in context and again this isn't censorship it's adding context
(June 11, 2020 at 2:18 pm)Editz Wrote: OMG the sexism! The belittling of women as they're squeezed and laced into their corsets! 1939 people - 1939. How is that sexism ?
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RE: HBO removes Gone with the wind.
June 11, 2020 at 3:12 pm
(June 11, 2020 at 2:57 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: (June 11, 2020 at 2:17 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: There is a podcast I listen to that is mostly about the lives of old movie actors and often the scandals surrounding them.
A few months ago they did an extended series on the Disney movie 'Song of the South' that came out in 1946. I remember seeing this played on the Wonderful World of Disney when I was a kid and may actually have seen it in a theater when I was really young.
It's been pulled from their collection and won't be rereleased. Holy Moly...the racism and stereotypes in that movie are unnerving. As a little kid I just liked the music and it was one of the first live action/animation films I recall seeing. I am pretty sure I had the Uncle Remus books and I clearly recall Br'er Rabbit stories.
I am not sure exactly how I feel about censoring films. They are a reflection of the time in which they were made. But I don't have a problem with a company deciding they want to pull something from their lineup.
Do we pull 'To Kill a Mockingbird' because it's depicts the times and then erase the message conveyed?
Gets a little dicey, I think. Or we could do the same thing and put it in context and again this isn't censorship it's adding context
(June 11, 2020 at 2:18 pm)Editz Wrote: OMG the sexism! The belittling of women as they're squeezed and laced into their corsets! 1939 people - 1939. How is that sexism ?
Context?
Hey - this old movie is old and reflects the times of when it was made or of when it depicts?
Do we really need to spoon feed everything to everyone?
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RE: HBO removes Gone with the wind.
June 11, 2020 at 3:18 pm
Evidently we do.
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RE: HBO removes Gone with the wind.
June 11, 2020 at 3:24 pm
(June 11, 2020 at 3:12 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: (June 11, 2020 at 2:57 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Or we could do the same thing and put it in context and again this isn't censorship it's adding context
How is that sexism ?
Context?
Hey - this old movie is old and reflects the times of when it was made or of when it depicts?
Do we really need to spoon feed everything to everyone? Yes
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RE: HBO removes Gone with the wind.
June 11, 2020 at 3:26 pm
(June 11, 2020 at 3:24 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: (June 11, 2020 at 3:12 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Context?
Hey - this old movie is old and reflects the times of when it was made or of when it depicts?
Do we really need to spoon feed everything to everyone? Yes
If someone can't tell context by the scenery, clothing, hairstyles, modes of transportation, etc. they are too stupid to be watching in the first place.
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RE: HBO removes Gone with the wind.
June 11, 2020 at 3:27 pm
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(June 11, 2020 at 3:26 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: (June 11, 2020 at 3:24 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Yes
If someone can't tell context by the scenery, clothing, hairstyles, modes of transportation, etc. they are too stupid to be watching in the first place. I think racial context is a bit more serious than any of those and whether you think it's needed or not it's not censorship to add it .
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RE: HBO removes Gone with the wind.
June 11, 2020 at 3:29 pm
(June 11, 2020 at 3:27 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: (June 11, 2020 at 3:26 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: If someone can't tell context by the scenery, clothing, hairstyles, modes of transportation, etc. they are too stupid to be watching in the first place. I think racial context is a bit more serious than any of those
You are carrying this too far.
If a person can't tell by the period that things were different then they are just too damn ignorant.
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RE: HBO removes Gone with the wind.
June 11, 2020 at 3:31 pm
So we can watch actual news of actual people being murdered, but the depiction of reality skewed through the narrow mind of prejudiced Hollywood fantasy is forbidden?
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RE: HBO removes Gone with the wind.
June 11, 2020 at 3:39 pm
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(June 11, 2020 at 3:29 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: (June 11, 2020 at 3:27 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: I think racial context is a bit more serious than any of those
You are carrying this too far.
If a person can't tell by the period that things were different then they are just too damn ignorant.
Climb down before you fall off your latest high horse. Nope i think it's important to acknowledge and learn from films past and applaud the attempt . I don't that's going to far , And my position has nothing to do with being on a high horse.
(June 11, 2020 at 3:31 pm)no one Wrote: So we can watch actual news of actual people being murdered, but the depiction of reality skewed through the narrow mind of prejudiced Hollywood fantasy is forbidden? I think we should talk about both
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RE: HBO removes Gone with the wind.
June 11, 2020 at 4:12 pm
People often forget that freedom is a two way street.
If you don't like movies from a certain era? Don't watch them.
Not a fan of spicy food? Don't eat it.
Don't like a certain type of music don't listen to it.
Radical idea, I know.
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