Cancel Culture

[Pat Mustard]

What all these "anti-cancel culture" people are against is the idea that their views no longer need to go unquestioned and unanswered. They hate the fact that they are no longer automatically considered experts in their field or are thought to be wise or profound.

They hate the fact that most people no longer listen to their bullshit.

[onlinebiker]

What all these "anti-cancel culture" people are against is the idea that their views no longer need to go unquestioned and unanswered.  They hate the fact that they are no longer automatically considered experts in their field or are thought to be wise or profound.

They hate the fact that most people no longer listen to their bullshit.

I would say exactly the same of the pro cancel culture people.....

[Sal]

What all these "anti-cancel culture" people are against is the idea that their views no longer need to go unquestioned and unanswered.  They hate the fact that they are no longer automatically considered experts in their field or are thought to be wise or profound.

They hate the fact that most people no longer listen to their bullshit.

They say they are all about free speech, but as soon as someone else uses their own free speech to criticize their ideas, they all fall aback about how they're being attacked personally and being "cancelled". All this instead of recognizing the critique and responding to them honestly. It's a double standard.

[Pat Mustard]

What all these "anti-cancel culture" people are against is the idea that their views no longer need to go unquestioned and unanswered.  They hate the fact that they are no longer automatically considered experts in their field or are thought to be wise or profound.

They hate the fact that most people no longer listen to their bullshit.

They say they are all about free speech, but as soon as someone else uses their own free speech to criticize their ideas, they all fall aback about how they're being attacked personally and being "cancelled". All this instead of recognizing the critique and responding to them honestly. It's a double standard.

These people were all in favour of cancel culture when it meant the silencing of criticism of evangelical pastors, or the silencing of those trying to expose the child rape epidemic amongst clergy of all religions, or the the fact that the Austrian school of economics is pure bullshit, or that "law and order" meant killing black men and women with impunity. But now that people are looking for the truth, it's all "we can't kill 'freeze peach'".

[Rev. Rye]

I'm a big fan of her comedy it has changed over the years but I think she still has it. She runs around with Stanhope so maybe I'm biased but, when he put her on, she killed! Her personality is another thing, and the fact that she is an avid Trump supporter just boggles my mind!

I liked Roseanne in her early years of doing standup and even the first few seasons of her show.  I will admit out loud that I like early standup by Bill Cosby.  I remember hearing some of his stuff being done in speech contests when I was in high school.  It's a challenge for me to try to get on board with saying that I suddenly hate everything someone did decades ago.  With Cosby I agree that he should have consequences for his past actions but that doesn't make his some of his skits suddenly unfunny.

If someone unearthed some awful things about George Carlin I would not be scrambling to burn his standup CDs or his books in effigy.

Fun fact: one of my favourite films of all time was not only written and directed by a man who is confirmed to have raped at least one girl of 13, well, just watch this selection of clips:



Doesn't make the movie any less powerful. And yet, it becomes mind-boggling that he made the same thing that it's heavily implied to have happened to the heroine to another real-world "nymphet," and yet made a movie dwelling on the lasting consequences of that same crime at a time when almost nobody was talking about it, one that still retains its power 55 years later.

[Little lunch]

I watched this a few days ago. I thought it was really good.

At 3 mins he was still waffling about nothing.

[Rev. Rye]

Frankly, the thing that really galls me about it isn’t so much what it does to it’s victims but what it does to it’s adherents.





Summary: Contra casts a trans porn legend to read a John Waters quote For a video. Because said trans porn legend has a history of saying some really dodgy things about non-binary people (and may have outed Lana Wachowski as trans before she finally outed herself, and I say may have because even at that point, Lana’s transition had been public knowledge, if unconfirmed, for a year or two), and because Contra gave him a platform (to read the words of other people unrelated to his bugbear and nothing else), people start a harassment campaign against her, and when other BreadTubers fail to condemn her, the campaign spreads to them as well. Philosophy Tube talks about his side of the controversy in his “Artists & Fandoms” video.

Most of the time, the most visible effect of canceling is a harassment campaign that lasts more or less until the social media hive mind finds someone else to rage at, ultimately helping make the world a more toxic place. If this is what the left does when we don’t have power, then what hope do we have for bettering the world when we actually do have power? It’s almost like the only lesson we’ve learned from the French Revolution is that we figured out it’s easier to start harassment campaigns against people (and with longer-lingering harm) than to send them to the Guillotine.

Or maybe any hope of actually trying to change the world for the better is folly because, even more fundamental to human nature than the desire to help the world is the desire to be Dexter Morgan.

[The Architect Of Fate]

"Oh noes i don't get a platform i was never entitled to in the first place .I'm so censored I guess i'll just have to use my website or my 100 other platforms were i'll whine about how oppressed i am while making 5 figures a month, And i'll probably get a book deal and a segment on Blaze TV or the Rubin Report or The Joe Rogan Show ,And I'll likely have a bajillion Youtube Free speech Warriors whining about how unfair it was i was kicked off essentially signal boosting me . But yeah i have no voice and am totally censored " 

The sobbing  of the Averaged cancelled moron

[Shell B]

I don't understand what the problem is? People who want to "cancel" celebrities stop watching/listening. Companies that don't want to deal with bullshit fire the cancelled douches. People who still like the cancelled douches continue to support the douches.

I don't understand how anyone can think Louis C.K. didn't get what he deserved. He was my favorite comedian. I watched ALL of his stuff. I thought he was profound and hilarious. He's a pervert. I don't watch his shit now that I know that.

[polymath257]

This was being discussed on NPR this morning.

Online definition -

The act of canceling, also referred to as cancel culture (a variant on the term "callout culture"), is a form of boycott in which an individual (usually a celebrity) who has acted or spoken in a questionable or controversial manner is boycotted.


It's not really new. It just involves new forms of media.


In the old days they just called it a "book burning".


YRMV

Or boycotting.