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Hitler was genocidal and evil. Yahweh’s genocides are good; say Christians, Muslims &
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RE: Hitler was genocidal and evil. Yahweh’s genocides are good; say Christians, Muslims &
Christians who take the OT events literally, you mean. There's a big ass variety of Christians out there, and many mainstream Christians don't take certain accounts/passages from the OT literally.

And even for Christians who take these accounts literally, they don't necessarily think much about them or have skewed and selected ideas of what the OT says (based on what they're told by pastors and such).

And for those who do (often lazily) approve of genocide as depicted, some will nevertheless say God would never do this again because <insert reasoning to do with New Covenant or whatever>.

As for Muslims and Jews, similar thing. Large variety out there.
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RE: Hitler was genocidal and evil. Yahweh’s genocides are good; say Christians, Muslims &
(September 3, 2020 at 2:42 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(September 3, 2020 at 11:31 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: And both Hitler and Jesus (or should I say "early Christians") used the same tactic of persecution complex to promote themselves, and therefore grow their movement when they both falsely claimed to be persecuted by Jews.

Note how persecution complex usually evolve into prosecution Complex.

Hmm. Jews did not invent inquisitions and jihads.

Regards
DL

(September 3, 2020 at 3:09 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But you ARE playing with their ball. In order for the comparison of genocides to be valid, you have to presume both genocides are real. Since only one of them is, it’s kind of silly to take Christians to task for disapproving of the real genocide and approving of a fake one.

Boru

It is not fake to them. That is the point. They applaud it and try to justify it.

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DL

(September 3, 2020 at 3:13 pm)Angrboda Wrote:
(September 3, 2020 at 12:17 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: How would you do that?

I figured I'd just light a match and see if anything burns.  Coffee

Fire is good.

I have been promoting more of that being used by the B.L.M. and the other oppressed groups that are demonstrating, mostly peacefully, as we speak in the U.S.

They have protested with peace for many years and a real smart guy said that to continue doing the same thing, while expecting a different outcome, is a sign of insanity.
 
To continue in peace, is insane, when their are no results.

Yes I am a privalidged white guy.

Regards
DL

(September 3, 2020 at 3:14 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Christians who take the OT events literally, you mean. There's a big ass variety of Christians out there, and many mainstream Christians don't take certain accounts/passages from the OT literally.

And even for Christians who take these accounts literally, they don't necessarily think much about them or have skewed and selected ideas of what the OT says (based on what they're told by pastors and such).

And for those who do (often lazily) approve of genocide as depicted, some will nevertheless say God would never do this again because <insert reasoning to do with New Covenant or whatever>.

As for Muslims and Jews, similar thing. Large variety out there.

You have been talking to liars and I do not share their views.

Almost all Christians are literalists. One has to read the bible literally to some extent to believe in Jesus.

I do agree that Christians are weak Christians with beliefs all over the cherry picked map.

As to no more genocide!

What is Armageddon?

Regards
DL
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RE: Hitler was genocidal and evil. Yahweh’s genocides are good; say Christians, Muslims &
(September 3, 2020 at 8:16 pm)Greatest I am Wrote:
(September 3, 2020 at 2:42 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Note how persecution complex usually evolve into prosecution Complex.

Hmm. Jews did not invent inquisitions and jihads.

Regards
DL

(September 3, 2020 at 3:09 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But you ARE playing with their ball. In order for the comparison of genocides to be valid, you have to presume both genocides are real. Since only one of them is, it’s kind of silly to take Christians to task for disapproving of the real genocide and approving of a fake one.

Boru

It is not fake to them. That is the point. They applaud it and try to justify it.

Regards
DL

(September 3, 2020 at 3:13 pm)Angrboda Wrote: I figured I'd just light a match and see if anything burns.  Coffee

Fire is good.

I have been promoting more of that being used by the B.L.M. and the other oppressed groups that are demonstrating, mostly peacefully, as we speak in the U.S.

They have protested with peace for many years and a real smart guy said that to continue doing the same thing, while expecting a different outcome, is a sign of insanity.
 
To continue in peace, is insane, when their are no results.

Yes I am a privalidged white guy.

Regards
DL

(September 3, 2020 at 3:14 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Christians who take the OT events literally, you mean. There's a big ass variety of Christians out there, and many mainstream Christians don't take certain accounts/passages from the OT literally.

And even for Christians who take these accounts literally, they don't necessarily think much about them or have skewed and selected ideas of what the OT says (based on what they're told by pastors and such).

And for those who do (often lazily) approve of genocide as depicted, some will nevertheless say God would never do this again because <insert reasoning to do with New Covenant or whatever>.

As for Muslims and Jews, similar thing. Large variety out there.

You have been talking to liars and I do not share their views.

Almost all Christians are literalists. One has to read the bible literally to some extent to believe in Jesus.

I do agree that Christians are weak Christians with beliefs all over the cherry picked map.

As to no more genocide!

What is Armageddon?

Regards
DL

I said the OT, not the account of the Resurrection. For the most part, Christians can afford to select which passages to take literally or not because it isn't (or shouldn't be rather) about what a collection of books say literally. It's about the Gospel itself. Some Christians disagree and are sola scriptura literalists, others are literalists though not sola scriptura, others are about allegorism and symbolism in various accounts (especially in Genesis and even some of the later events, and some aren't exactly literalist about Revelation either).

Armageddon? Again, depends on whether it is taken literally, and if so, how it is interpreted.

So basically, you're in luck. You don't have to worry about Christians in general being awful people because there's a good chance many don't approve of an actual genocide as depicted in Bible. Depends on what flavor of Christian you're interacting with.
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RE: Hitler was genocidal and evil. Yahweh’s genocides are good; say Christians, Muslims &
(September 3, 2020 at 8:16 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Almost all Christians are literalists. 

In The Song of Songs, in Chapter 4, the speaker says about his lover:


Quote:You are a garden fountain,
    a well of flowing water
    streaming down from Lebanon.

No no one believes that the speaker is actually in love with a garden fountain. Readers understand this is a metaphor.

Therefore, NO CHRISTIAN is 100% literalist in how he reads the Bible. From there, they debate.
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RE: Hitler was genocidal and evil. Yahweh’s genocides are good; say Christians, Muslims &
(September 3, 2020 at 10:57 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
(September 3, 2020 at 8:16 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Almost all Christians are literalists. 

In The Song of Songs, in Chapter 4, the speaker says about his lover:


Quote:You are a garden fountain,
    a well of flowing water
    streaming down from Lebanon.

No no one believes that the speaker is actually in love with a garden fountain. Readers understand this is a metaphor.

Therefore, NO CHRISTIAN is 100% literalist in how he reads the Bible. From there, they debate.

That’s like saying no moron is without a single neuron.
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RE: Hitler was genocidal and evil. Yahweh’s genocides are good; say Christians, Muslims &
(September 3, 2020 at 10:57 pm)Belacqua Wrote: In The Song of Songs, in Chapter 4, the speaker says about his lover:


Quote:You are a garden fountain,
    a well of flowing water
    streaming down from Lebanon.

No no one believes that the speaker is actually in love with a garden fountain. Readers understand this is a metaphor.

Therefore, NO CHRISTIAN is 100% literalist in how he reads the Bible. From there, they debate.

He didn't say 100% literalists but "to some extent".

Indeed, "Song of songs" is meant as a metaphor, but, for instance, as Saint Augustine of Hippo says, pretty much everything else is to be taken literally

Augustine Wrote:The narrative indeed in these books is not cast in the figurative kind of language you find in the Song of Songs, but quite simply tells of things that happened, as in the books of the Kingdoms and others like them.


https://kolbecenter.org/st-augustine-red...f-genesis/
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Hitler was genocidal and evil. Yahweh’s genocides are good; say Christians, Muslims &
Grandizer. For your files.

The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

All Christians who believe in a literal Jesus are supernatural believing, dumb as bricks, literalists.

I have nothing against, and even use, the words put into the mouth of the more mystical Jesus.

You may not see the harm that religions continue to do, but I do.

If you support any of the god religions, as compared to the wisdom and knowledge seeking religions, they put man above god, then you are not a moral guy.

Regards
DL

(September 3, 2020 at 10:57 pm)Belacqua Wrote:
(September 3, 2020 at 8:16 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Almost all Christians are literalists. 

In The Song of Songs, in Chapter 4, the speaker says about his lover:


Quote:You are a garden fountain,
    a well of flowing water
    streaming down from Lebanon.

No no one believes that the speaker is actually in love with a garden fountain. Readers understand this is a metaphor.

Therefore, NO CHRISTIAN is 100% literalist in how he reads the Bible. From there, they debate.

I repeat. All who believe in a real Jesus are full fledged literalists. 

Do not make them seem like the brightest bulbs.

What I look at is the harm religions do to us.

You have eyes.

Regards
DL
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RE: Hitler was genocidal and evil. Yahweh’s genocides are good; say Christians, Muslims &
(September 4, 2020 at 8:38 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Grandizer. For your files.

The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

All Christians who believe in a literal Jesus are supernatural believing, dumb as bricks, literalists.

I have nothing against, and even use, the words put into the mouth of the more mystical Jesus.

You may not see the harm that religions continue to do, but I do.

If you support any of the god religions, as compared to the wisdom and knowledge seeking religions, they put man above god, then you are not a moral guy.

Regards
DL

Every statement you made here is an idiotic statement. Who's not the brightest bulb here again?
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RE: Hitler was genocidal and evil. Yahweh’s genocides are good; say Christians, Muslims &
(September 3, 2020 at 3:14 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Christians who take the OT events literally, you mean. There's a big ass variety of Christians out there, and many mainstream Christians don't take certain accounts/passages from the OT literally.

And even for Christians who take these accounts literally, they don't necessarily think much about them or have skewed and selected ideas of what the OT says (based on what they're told by pastors and such).

And for those who do (often lazily) approve of genocide as depicted, some will nevertheless say God would never do this again because <insert reasoning to do with New Covenant or whatever>.

As for Muslims and Jews, similar thing. Large variety out there.

Most Christians are not biblical literalists.  Most Christians don't even know the evil that is in the OT.

My opinion is that the only valid way to read any holy text is to receive the writer's honest intent.  If the intent was poetry, receive it as poetry.  If it was meant as tribal history, take it as such.  If it was meant to teach the nature of God and our relationship with It, then receive it as that.

Then, one can reject or accept what is in the text.  But, it is invalid, IMO, to pick and choose what you like from a text, and ignore the bits you don't like.  You either accept the God depicted or you don't.  You either accept the commandments given, or you don't.  You either agree that we are sinful fallen creatures created by God that need redemption of a God-Man through blood sacrifice in order to live forever, or you don't.

I believe that Christian fundamentalists are the most honest form of Christians.  I also think they are bat-crap crazy.  But, they are honest about their religion.  They accept the whole stinking package, from the genocidal god who promised not to do it again, to the need for belief in Jesus to get saved.
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RE: Hitler was genocidal and evil. Yahweh’s genocides are good; say Christians, Muslims &
HappySkeptic

I believe you forgot about Armageddon, when Jesus returns to genocide those who will not bow to him.

I paraphrase. 

Bring them before me and kill them.

Regards
DL
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