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My New Video about Atheism
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My New Video about Atheism
My video about atheism in Latin language turned out to be one of the most popular videos on my YouTube channel. So, I've decided to make another one, this time making arguments not against God, but against the afterlife.

So, what do you think about it?
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RE: My New Video about Atheism
I think you need to re-read the Rules and stop using this place as your personal blog.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: My New Video about Atheism
(December 31, 2020 at 11:33 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: My video about atheism in Latin language turned out to be one of the most popular videos on my YouTube channel. So, I've decided to make another one, this time making arguments not against God, but against the afterlife.

So, what do you think about it?

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RE: My New Video about Atheism
Well, there were a few things relatively original in the video.
First of all, the language. It is in Latin, the language of the Catholic church (and 86% of Croatians identify as Catholics).
Second, I used the argument that souls, as usually imagined, contradict quantum physics. Most people imagine souls as something that can see, but can in no way be observed. But quantum physics teaches us there is no such thing as a passive observer, because things behave differently based on whether they are observed or not. I also said that suggesting, like Leibniz did, that the material and spiritual world do not actually interact, but only appear to interact, avoids this problem, but certainly goes very much against the Occam's razor. If the spiritual world does not actually interact with the physical world, why assume it exists in the first place? This argument is rarely used by atheists, but I think it is a good one.
I also used the argument that, if human beings had souls which could sense time, human beings who have been unconscious for some time would be able to tell how much time has passed. But they cannot, for them, they fall unconscious one moment and the very next moment they remember is when they are conscious again. If human beings had souls, we would expect people who are unconscious to experience long silent darkness, because parts of the brain necessary for seeing and hearing are not working, but the soul is unaffected. But we know this is not the case. I think this argument is completely original, and a good one.
When I was discussing atheism on r/latin, one person suggested me that the existence of free will proves the existence of supernatural souls, since free will cannot be accounted for by the laws of nature. So, I included my response to that in the video, that the Second Law of Thermodynamics plus basic computer science explains free will completely in terms of natural laws.
So, what do you think of my arguments?
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RE: My New Video about Atheism
I think that the existence or non-existence of souls and/or free will has nothing at all to do with atheism.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: My New Video about Atheism
(December 31, 2020 at 2:04 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think that the existence or non-existence of souls and/or free will has nothing at all to do with atheism.

Boru
I think the non-existence of souls kind of implies there is no God. If there was a God, the world would be just. But since the part of the world we observe is not just, there would, for the world to be just, need to be an afterlife. So, if there is no afterlife, there is no cosmic justice, and thus there is no God.
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RE: My New Video about Atheism
(December 31, 2020 at 4:19 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(December 31, 2020 at 2:04 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think that the existence or non-existence of souls and/or free will has nothing at all to do with atheism.

Boru
I think the non-existence of souls kind of implies there is no God. If there was a God, the world would be just. But since the part of the world we observe is not just, there would, for the world to be just, need to be an afterlife. So, if there is no afterlife, there is no cosmic justice, and thus there is no God.

You're wrong. Souls could exist and have an explanation apart from God. Souls could exist and God not exist. God could exist and souls not exist.

Who says the existence of God would make the world just, or that justice requires God to exist? Suppose God prefers an unjust world - he could simply be malicious and the Universe is just God's version of pulling the wings off of flies.

Also, I'm not at all convince that an afterlife is a requirement for justice. Since human beings don't operate on a cosmic scale, we can't possibly have an idea of what this 'cosmic justice' of yours looks like. Additionally, it isn't immediately obvious that an afterlife requires the existence of God.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: My New Video about Atheism
(December 31, 2020 at 4:42 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(December 31, 2020 at 4:19 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: I think the non-existence of souls kind of implies there is no God. If there was a God, the world would be just. But since the part of the world we observe is not just, there would, for the world to be just, need to be an afterlife. So, if there is no afterlife, there is no cosmic justice, and thus there is no God.

You're wrong. Souls could exist and have an explanation apart from God. Souls could exist and God not exist. God could exist and souls not exist.

Who says the existence of God would make the world just, or that justice requires God to exist? Suppose God prefers an unjust world - he could simply be malicious and the Universe is just God's version of pulling the wings off of flies.

Also, I'm not at all convince that an afterlife is a requirement for justice. Since human beings don't operate on a cosmic scale, we can't possibly have an idea of what this 'cosmic justice' of yours looks like. Additionally, it isn't immediately obvious that an afterlife requires the existence of God.

Boru
Well, yes, it depends on what we mean by God, but I think most people would agree a God cannot be malicious. Of course there can be an afterlife without a God. But I think there can be no God without an afterlife.
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RE: My New Video about Atheism
(December 31, 2020 at 4:51 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:
(December 31, 2020 at 4:42 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You're wrong. Souls could exist and have an explanation apart from God. Souls could exist and God not exist. God could exist and souls not exist.

Who says the existence of God would make the world just, or that justice requires God to exist? Suppose God prefers an unjust world - he could simply be malicious and the Universe is just God's version of pulling the wings off of flies.

Also, I'm not at all convince that an afterlife is a requirement for justice. Since human beings don't operate on a cosmic scale, we can't possibly have an idea of what this 'cosmic justice' of yours looks like. Additionally, it isn't immediately obvious that an afterlife requires the existence of God.

Boru
Well, yes, it depends on what we mean by God, but I think most people would agree a God cannot be malicious. Of course there can be an afterlife without a God. But I think there can be no God without an afterlife.

Truth is not a democratic proposition. It doesn’t really matter that ‘most people’ think God is not malicious. The mere possibility that God MAY be malicious weakens your argument.

Why can’t there be a God without an afterlife?

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: My New Video about Atheism
(December 31, 2020 at 6:08 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(December 31, 2020 at 4:51 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Well, yes, it depends on what we mean by God, but I think most people would agree a God cannot be malicious. Of course there can be an afterlife without a God. But I think there can be no God without an afterlife.

Truth is not a democratic proposition. It doesn’t really matter that ‘most people’ think God is not malicious. The mere possibility that God MAY be malicious weakens your argument.

Why can’t there be a God without an afterlife?

Boru

How do you define "god" then, if it can be malicious? I thought "god" is usually defined as some sort of an omnipotent, benevolent and omniscient being. That's what all this theist/atheist debate is all about, the ontological argument is arguing for a "perfect being", the problem of evil is arguing against an omnipotent, benevolent and omniscient being, and so on.
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