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Apart from the bit about killing 28 million confirmed and unconfirmed people (which he created) (from: bible count)
I found this very entertaining for some weird reason. Probably because I know it's fiction.
While we're on this topic, do we know of any other wholesale killers from fiction?
Darth Vader (representing his Emperor)? He destroyed many planets' inhabitants.
God only had one planet to rule (technical limitation/paradox -we are special snowflakes -there is no other planets with life)
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
(May 26, 2021 at 7:15 am)░I░G░N░O░R░A░M░U░S ░ Wrote: Apart from the bit about killing 28 million confirmed and unconfirmed people (which he created) (from: bible count)
I found this very entertaining for some weird reason. Probably because I know it's fiction.
While we're on this topic, do we know of any other wholesale killers from fiction?
Darth Vader (representing his Emperor)? He destroyed many planets' inhabitants.
God only had one planet to rule (technical limitation/paradox -we are special snowflakes -there is no other planets with life)
who said God loves all of us unconditionally?
In fact there is a huge condition to tbeing able to access the love of God. it is spelled out in john 3:16.. God's love is not for everyone. was never ment to be. that is just something butt hurt haters claim so they have something else to bitch about. if they even just read the popular verses, they'd know God only loves his own people, and for them his love is unending.. but has no love for those who belong to corruption/death outside of giving everyone an equal opportunity to become on of his beloved.
May 28, 2021 at 2:19 pm (This post was last modified: May 28, 2021 at 3:05 pm by Brian37.)
(May 26, 2021 at 7:50 am)brewer Wrote: Conditional love can be a bitch.
There is no religion in human history that has ever been about "unconditional love", not Christians, not Muslims, not Jews, not Hindus, not Buddhist or all others.
Humans have always attached their empathy, local success, morality, as being dependent of all outsiders/minorities, and treatment of such, as being dependent on that minority knowing their place.
Now, having said that, I do think love should be conditional. Not in a blind loyalty context like facisim or an authoritarian god.
I think empathy should always be the priority in our species. But I will never be a fan of blind loyalty.
My late mother and I for example, were polar oposites. Both politically and religiously. My late mother was always loyal to me, but not blindly. She always expected me to do the best I could, but never abandon me when I faultered. I never abandon her because of our disagreements.
But the Abrahamic God isn't about freedom to criticize. It is about blind loyalty ultimately. My mother never would have disowned me for criticizing her religion or economics or politics. I was always more worried about her yelling at me for my living upkeep, or not making the correct turn when driving her somewhere.
If anyone is familiar with Howard on "The Big Bang Theory" sitcom, one can consider my mother and I the Catholic version of such interaction.
But that is not blind loyalty. It isn't even close to the Abrahamic Characters of Jews, or Muslims or Christian traditions. My mother and I as much as we fussed and fought, would never have behaived in the authoritarian way the God/'s of Abraham of all 3 are depicted in the holy writings of all three.
Of course love should be conditional. Why should Adam and Eve love God, when the asshole used them as poker chips? Why should Muslims love Allah when he demands they make everyone an enemy? Why should Jews love Yahweh when he doesn't stop things like the Holocaust?
My mom and I fought constantly growing up. But never even with all the frustration between us, did I ever think she would abandon me because I disagreed with her.
May 28, 2021 at 6:34 pm (This post was last modified: May 28, 2021 at 6:35 pm by brewer.)
(May 28, 2021 at 2:19 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(May 26, 2021 at 7:50 am)brewer Wrote: Conditional love can be a bitch.
There is no religion in human history that has ever been about "unconditional love", not Christians, not Muslims, not Jews, not Hindus, not Buddhist or all others.
Humans have always attached their empathy, local success, morality, as being dependent of all outsiders/minorities, and treatment of such, as being dependent on that minority knowing their place.
Now, having said that, I do think love should be conditional. Not in a blind loyalty context like facisim or an authoritarian god.
I think empathy should always be the priority in our species. But I will never be a fan of blind loyalty.
My late mother and I for example, were polar oposites. Both politically and religiously. My late mother was always loyal to me, but not blindly. She always expected me to do the best I could, but never abandon me when I faultered. I never abandon her because of our disagreements.
But the Abrahamic God isn't about freedom to criticize. It is about blind loyalty ultimately. My mother never would have disowned me for criticizing her religion or economics or politics. I was always more worried about her yelling at me for my living upkeep, or not making the correct turn when driving her somewhere.
If anyone is familiar with Howard on "The Big Bang Theory" sitcom, one can consider my mother and I the Catholic version of such interaction.
But that is not blind loyalty. It isn't even close to the Abrahamic Characters of Jews, or Muslims or Christian traditions. My mother and I as much as we fussed and fought, would never have behaived in the authoritarian way the God/'s of Abraham of all 3 are depicted in the holy writings of all three.
Of course love should be conditional. Why should Adam and Eve love God, when the asshole used them as poker chips? Why should Muslims love Allah when he demands they make everyone an enemy? Why should Jews love Yahweh when he doesn't stop things like the Holocaust?
My mom and I fought constantly growing up. But never even with all the frustration between us, did I ever think she would abandon me because I disagreed with her.
blah, blah, blah. Readers need to thank me for the condensation.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
There is no religion in human history that has ever been about "unconditional love", not Christians, not Muslims, not Jews, not Hindus, not Buddhist or all others.
Humans have always attached their empathy, local success, morality, as being dependent of all outsiders/minorities, and treatment of such, as being dependent on that minority knowing their place.
Now, having said that, I do think love should be conditional. Not in a blind loyalty context like facisim or an authoritarian god.
I think empathy should always be the priority in our species. But I will never be a fan of blind loyalty.
My late mother and I for example, were polar oposites. Both politically and religiously. My late mother was always loyal to me, but not blindly. She always expected me to do the best I could, but never abandon me when I faultered. I never abandon her because of our disagreements.
But the Abrahamic God isn't about freedom to criticize. It is about blind loyalty ultimately. My mother never would have disowned me for criticizing her religion or economics or politics. I was always more worried about her yelling at me for my living upkeep, or not making the correct turn when driving her somewhere.
If anyone is familiar with Howard on "The Big Bang Theory" sitcom, one can consider my mother and I the Catholic version of such interaction.
But that is not blind loyalty. It isn't even close to the Abrahamic Characters of Jews, or Muslims or Christian traditions. My mother and I as much as we fussed and fought, would never have behaived in the authoritarian way the God/'s of Abraham of all 3 are depicted in the holy writings of all three.
Of course love should be conditional. Why should Adam and Eve love God, when the asshole used them as poker chips? Why should Muslims love Allah when he demands they make everyone an enemy? Why should Jews love Yahweh when he doesn't stop things like the Holocaust?
My mom and I fought constantly growing up. But never even with all the frustration between us, did I ever think she would abandon me because I disagreed with her.
blah, blah, blah. Readers need to thank me for the condensation.
I don't read his crap anyway. I've little room for vapidity, and he has it by the bucketful.
If you get to thinking you’re a person of some influence, try ordering somebody else’s dog around.
There is no religion in human history that has ever been about "unconditional love", not Christians, not Muslims, not Jews, not Hindus, not Buddhist or all others.
Humans have always attached their empathy, local success, morality, as being dependent of all outsiders/minorities, and treatment of such, as being dependent on that minority knowing their place.
Now, having said that, I do think love should be conditional. Not in a blind loyalty context like facisim or an authoritarian god.
I think empathy should always be the priority in our species. But I will never be a fan of blind loyalty.
My late mother and I for example, were polar oposites. Both politically and religiously. My late mother was always loyal to me, but not blindly. She always expected me to do the best I could, but never abandon me when I faultered. I never abandon her because of our disagreements.
But the Abrahamic God isn't about freedom to criticize. It is about blind loyalty ultimately. My mother never would have disowned me for criticizing her religion or economics or politics. I was always more worried about her yelling at me for my living upkeep, or not making the correct turn when driving her somewhere.
If anyone is familiar with Howard on "The Big Bang Theory" sitcom, one can consider my mother and I the Catholic version of such interaction.
But that is not blind loyalty. It isn't even close to the Abrahamic Characters of Jews, or Muslims or Christian traditions. My mother and I as much as we fussed and fought, would never have behaived in the authoritarian way the God/'s of Abraham of all 3 are depicted in the holy writings of all three.
Of course love should be conditional. Why should Adam and Eve love God, when the asshole used them as poker chips? Why should Muslims love Allah when he demands they make everyone an enemy? Why should Jews love Yahweh when he doesn't stop things like the Holocaust?
My mom and I fought constantly growing up. But never even with all the frustration between us, did I ever think she would abandon me because I disagreed with her.
blah, blah, blah. Readers need to thank me for the condensation.
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