[Serious] Non-binary

[Belacqua]

Yeah, I definately fall in the "okay boomer" category too, even if technically I am genx. Twenty years ago I was working on a high-rise job site. One of the subs, in addition to his hard hat and work duds, worn a full compliment of very femanine looking make-up, and maybe he got a couple second looks but overall no one cared. Working class people are like that. Live and let live.

In about 1986, on a lovely spring day, I was walking on a cross street on the upper east side of Manhattan, near the Metropolitan Museum. Nobody else was around except two guys fixing a hole in the sidewalk -- potbellied hard hat types sweating and cursing.

Then a slim lovely young man swooped by on roller blades. He had on a pink tank top and matching short shorts -- very tight. He saw us but looked away, expecting comments. The two guys in the sidewalk stopped working to watch him glide by. When he was past, they looked at each other and I thought, "Oh boy, here it comes."  

One of them said, "Man, I wish I could do that." And the other one said, "Yeah."

[purplepurpose]

You gotta be a hardworking and kind person. Thats awesome and amazing. Gender stuff isn't as important.

[brewer]

I'll contribute a serious meh.

[vulcanlogician]

Be forewarned that the opinions expressed below may offend you

The definition of Nonbinary is as follows:

Non-binary (also spelled nonbinary) or genderqueer is an umbrella term for gender identities that are neither male nor female‍—‌identities that are outside the gender binary.

From a scientific, biological, and objectively reasonable perspective, there are only two genders. Male or female. This is a fact that cannot be disputed.

How someone wishes to identify, however, is an entirely different matter, and lately I have found myself being more against the ill logics of the nonbinary movement despite being a part of the gay community. The reason for this is quite simple: I can no more support the delusion of a nonbinary concept any more than I can the concept of a deity that does not exist. Granted, how one wishes to identify in relation to the nonbinary ideology is not harmful to others. Therefore, I have no qualms accepting how others wish to identify. Yet, in spite of this, I cannot fully accept being nonbinary is in any way rational.

I can accept inclusivity up to a reasonable point, but once it no longer resembles logic I cannot in good conscience accept it as a reality.

Look at it this way: we all have some inherent masculinity or femininity inside of us. (Think Carl Jung.) But we also have inner aspects that are androgynous. Nonbinary people simply identify most with that "androgynous inner self." 

I know that folks, like Jordan Peterson, really like Jung's emphasis on embracing our maleness or femaleness respectively. But I think a careful reading of Jung's phenomenology produces a proto-theory of gender fluidity. Of course, you have to dismiss many of Jung's outdated opinions and do your own thinking about the matter. But that's how I've always assessed his phenomenology. 

In the end, just like some guys are feminine and some women masculine, so too are there people who don't identify with their sex, yet neither do they identify with the opposite sex.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Kinda funny though, hearing millenials think they invented gender fluidity and scold the GenXers, who listened to Prince and Boy George. And it was way old back then

[arewethereyet]

Kinda funny though, hearing millenials think they invented gender fluidity and scold the GenXers, who listened to Prince and Boy George. And it was way old back then

Let's not forget about Bowie...goes back before Prince and Boy George.

[The Grand Nudger]

You could take it all the way back to our oldest myths - which does make it rather surprising that people are still hung up over it, yes.

[Angrboda]

[arewethereyet]

You could take it all the way back to our oldest myths - which does make it rather surprising that people are still hung up over it, yes.

I think what we are witnessing isn't something new but something that's been around for ages that is demanding to be accepted in the mainstream.

It's time to stop worrying about things that aren't an issue to waste time on.

I remember being called a tomboy and it wasn't meant as a compliment.  And any of us with some age on us knew/know guys who were looked at as girly or feminine, also not in a complimentary way...sissy, as it were.

Everyone was supposed to fit into the mold assigned by society.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, pretty much. One aspect of naming and identifying with something, fundamentally, is about saying that you exist. This is going to be more relevant to people who society has shamed, or hidden, or imprisoned, or deemed psychotic. It's easy to abuse the invisible. By openly being you make yourself visible, not just to those others who might not harm you if they knew, but also to other people like you - who have been just as invisible to you as you are to society.