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RE: An infinite progress
September 7, 2021 at 10:46 pm
God is uncaused, uncreated. If we were symbolically in a line with the 100 greatest philosophers, theologians, scientists moving forward to understand how God doesn't require a beginning, we would soon encounter a hedge that would stop everyone. Looking down the line, no one had advanced even a smidgen further than anyone else. What we do know is there isn't a God of the 2'nd power, 3'rd, in perpetuity.
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RE: An infinite progress
September 7, 2021 at 10:49 pm
Incorrect, the god concept is created by a sickness of the religious mind.
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RE: An infinite progress
September 7, 2021 at 11:50 pm
(September 7, 2021 at 10:46 pm)snowtracks Wrote: God is uncaused, uncreated. If we were symbolically in a line with the 100 greatest philosophers, theologians, scientists moving forward to understand how God doesn't require a beginning, we would soon encounter a hedge that would stop everyone. Looking down the line, no one had advanced even a smidgen further than anyone else. What we do know is there isn't a God of the 2'nd power, 3'rd, in perpetuity.
Your first sentence is an existential fallacy: You haven't yet demonstrated that your god even exists, so telling us that it's uncaused and uncreated is rather premature. How would you even know that, mortal? How would you collect the evidence required to prove such a thing? For starters, you'd need a time machine to go back to at least the start of this universe, and demonstrate that your god was already there.
(And what a daft use of the phrase "What we do know"! What's wrong with simply saying "What we believe"? I have no good reason to doubt that you have a belief, and plenty of reasons to doubt that you possess actual knowledge that corroborates your claim.)
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RE: An infinite progress
September 8, 2021 at 7:28 am
(September 7, 2021 at 10:49 pm)Foxaire Wrote: Incorrect, the god concept is created by a sickness of the religious mind. I was raised in a religious household, and I'm not sick at all.
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RE: An infinite progress
September 8, 2021 at 9:00 am
(September 7, 2021 at 9:50 pm)Spongebob Wrote: But, but...but, I believe it with all my heart. Doesn't that matter? Doesn't it?
Only if you keep it to yourself, or within the magical crowd.
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RE: An infinite progress
September 8, 2021 at 10:07 am
(September 7, 2021 at 4:21 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (September 7, 2021 at 4:11 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: NEAR death... not post death
your move... The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.
But you definitely won't be flying into space within this lifetime. So when do you plan on flying to the stars?
I quite agree, but maybe my grandchildren will fly, but ... what has that got to do with you proving that your sky fairy exists?
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RE: An infinite progress
September 8, 2021 at 10:25 am
(This post was last modified: September 8, 2021 at 10:28 am by Ahriman.)
(September 8, 2021 at 10:07 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: (September 7, 2021 at 4:21 pm)Ahriman Wrote: The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.
But you definitely won't be flying into space within this lifetime. So when do you plan on flying to the stars?
I quite agree, but maybe my grandchildren will fly, but ... what has that got to do with you proving that your sky fairy exists? Well, God isn't a "sky fairy", but I get what you mean. God can do with your soul, whatever He wishes to do with it. If He wanted you to be reincarnated as a house fly, then that might happen. If He wanted you to be reincarnated as a giraffe.......etc. But your intention means something, as well. Meaning, if you wanted to explore space, and that was a sincere desire in your heart, but you couldn't explore space while being alive, God would make sure that you could, eventually, explore space, in some earthy form or another.
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RE: An infinite progress
September 8, 2021 at 11:24 am
(September 8, 2021 at 10:25 am)Ahriman Wrote: (September 8, 2021 at 10:07 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: I quite agree, but maybe my grandchildren will fly, but ... what has that got to do with you proving that your sky fairy exists? Well, God isn't a "sky fairy", but I get what you mean. God can do with your soul, whatever He wishes to do with it. If He wanted you to be reincarnated as a house fly, then that might happen. If He wanted you to be reincarnated as a giraffe.......etc. But your intention means something, as well. Meaning, if you wanted to explore space, and that was a sincere desire in your heart, but you couldn't explore space while being alive, God would make sure that you could, eventually, explore space, in some earthy form or another.
So can the great wibble wobble, now show me your evidence for this god instead of telling me what you think he/it can do
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RE: An infinite progress
September 8, 2021 at 11:25 am
(September 8, 2021 at 10:25 am)Ahriman Wrote: Well, God isn't a "sky fairy", but I get what you mean. God can do with your soul, whatever He wishes to do with it. If He wanted you to be reincarnated as a house fly, then that might happen. If He wanted you to be reincarnated as a giraffe.......etc. But your intention means something, as well. Meaning, if you wanted to explore space, and that was a sincere desire in your heart, but you couldn't explore space while being alive, God would make sure that you could, eventually, explore space, in some earthy form or another.
What is a soul? Do you believe in reincarnation?
Those who believe in reincarnation recognize that the ego is destroyed in death (otherwise we would remember past lives). They believe that some core of who we are carries on, and can learn with each life to move towards enlightenment. This is very different from the Christian idea of simply waking up in heaven (or hell) with ego intact.
Also, in Buddhism, reincarnation is considered to be a curse. The idea is to leave the wheel of death and rebirth, and the "core of who we are" will enter some new phase, but perhaps without our past egos, and certainly not as a simple continuation of earthly life.
I don't believe in souls. I believe that our identity is something that emerges from the operation of the mind.
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RE: An infinite progress
September 8, 2021 at 11:45 am
(September 8, 2021 at 11:24 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: (September 8, 2021 at 10:25 am)Ahriman Wrote: Well, God isn't a "sky fairy", but I get what you mean. God can do with your soul, whatever He wishes to do with it. If He wanted you to be reincarnated as a house fly, then that might happen. If He wanted you to be reincarnated as a giraffe.......etc. But your intention means something, as well. Meaning, if you wanted to explore space, and that was a sincere desire in your heart, but you couldn't explore space while being alive, God would make sure that you could, eventually, explore space, in some earthy form or another.
So can the great wibble wobble, now show me your evidence for this god instead of telling me what you think he/it can do Why do you care about evidence so much?
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