Covid 19 conspiracies dump

[Ranjr]

In first grade, nurses came to class, lined us up, and stuck needles in our arms.  It was a new vaccine, one that not only protected us from German measles, but other common infectious diseases.  Our parents who might have given a shit didn't give a shit.  It was one less thing to worry about, and how they voted in the last election didn't enter in to that shit to give.  They had made it through Hong Kong flu, the Beatles, and Hubert Humphrey couldn't stop their roll to Saigon.

[Abaddon_ire]

And if adverse effects were more common with the COVID vaccines than any other, or, indeed, if the serious side effects weren’t happening at an extremely low rate, that might actually mean something.

Ok. So you admit there are some adverse health effects in some number of people. What's the chance of getting an adverse health effect from the vaccine if you don't take it? Zero risk.

Sure. Death seems such a trivial concern, right?

That sounds better to me than 'some risk'. So, this actually does mean something. Yes, some risk is inferior to no risk, when we are talking about nurses who already have significant immunity from natural immunity. Why take that extra risk, no matter how small it may be, when it's entirely unnecessary? Go along to get along? Just do it to prove to the people that you deserve your job, when you've been risking your health throughout the pandemic, taking care of covid patients all the way through, while you were hailed as a hero on the news, daily, but now are being smeared as the villains of the story? Just give in to authoritarianism because you don't want people to think you're dumb or anti-vaxx?

Why? You are the villain of history. In fact, history will identify you as exactly that.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Ok. So you admit there are some adverse health effects in some number of people. What's the chance of getting an adverse health effect from the vaccine if you don't take it? Zero risk.

Sure. Death seems such a trivial concern, right?

That sounds better to me than 'some risk'. So, this actually does mean something. Yes, some risk is inferior to no risk, when we are talking about nurses who already have significant immunity from natural immunity. Why take that extra risk, no matter how small it may be, when it's entirely unnecessary? Go along to get along? Just do it to prove to the people that you deserve your job, when you've been risking your health throughout the pandemic, taking care of covid patients all the way through, while you were hailed as a hero on the news, daily, but now are being smeared as the villains of the story? Just give in to authoritarianism because you don't want people to think you're dumb or anti-vaxx?

Why? You are the villain of history. In fact, history will identify you as exactly that.

Yup 

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In first grade, nurses came to class, lined us up, and stuck needles in our arms.  It was a new vaccine, one that not only protected us from German measles, but other common infectious diseases.  Our parents who might have given a shit didn't give a shit.  It was one less thing to worry about, and how they voted in the last election didn't enter in to that shit to give.  They had made it through Hong Kong flu, the Beatles, and Hubert Humphrey couldn't stop their roll to Saigon.

It seems only now mandatory vaccines are somehow the rise of Hitler despite the fact it's existed for decades 

In schools 
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/v...since-1850

In the Military 
https://www.newsweek.com/list-vaccines-m...id-1641228

Hell even in Healthcare 
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ne...bs-n823446


Also their lots of potentially risky shit one needs to do for a job. You don't hear anyone bitch about that

[Rev. Rye]

Ok. So you admit there are some adverse health effects in some number of people. What's the chance of getting an adverse health effect from the vaccine if you don't take it? Zero risk.

Sure. Death seems such a trivial concern, right?

That sounds better to me than 'some risk'. So, this actually does mean something. Yes, some risk is inferior to no risk, when we are talking about nurses who already have significant immunity from natural immunity. Why take that extra risk, no matter how small it may be, when it's entirely unnecessary? Go along to get along? Just do it to prove to the people that you deserve your job, when you've been risking your health throughout the pandemic, taking care of covid patients all the way through, while you were hailed as a hero on the news, daily, but now are being smeared as the villains of the story? Just give in to authoritarianism because you don't want people to think you're dumb or anti-vaxx?

Why? You are the villain of history. In fact, history will identify you as exactly that.

Specifically a self-disposing villain who makes this plague last a shitton longer than it has to.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Sure. Death seems such a trivial concern, right?

Why? You are the villain of history. In fact, history will identify you as exactly that.

Specifically a self-disposing villain who makes this plague last a shitton longer than it has to.

Yup the plague bearers just keep the Covid train rolling. Soon will run out of Greek letters.

[Pat Mustard]

I'm secure in the belief that both Palin and MTG are, in fact, vaccinated for COVID. I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain.

Boru

You can be sure that the vast majority of the major public figures in the humanity hating anti-vax movement have had all of their shots and, likely in the case of Covid, before they became available to the general public.

Remember people like Palin & Greene are perfectly happy with socialist health care as long as it only applies to people like them and their paymasters.

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Antivaxers are using Freddie Mercury, who died of AIDS, to mock people trying to stay safe during a public health crisis.

Lock them all in the pub, turn off the water and shoot anybody who tries to get out.

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I got boosted at first opportunity.  I went to a couple shows and a college basketball game in Tulsa.  No infection.  Now, though, hunkering down for winter.  Masking up at work and in stores.

A month ago for me. I rushed out of an online meeting for the centenary commemorations at work to get it. Luckily it was on Microsoft Teams which I was only able to listen in on because of microphone incompatibilities.

But I was lucky enough that Garda staff were included with healthcare workers for this round of jabs. Otherwise, I'd only be getting it now.

[Irreligious Atheist]

It might make some sense if you take into account that people are more afraid of dying in a plane crash than a car crash (the latter is far more common than the former) because when a plane crash happens, it makes the news because it’s so rare, but car crashes are very much “dog bites man” stories. But it falls apart when you consider that, if my experience is any indication, those COVID long-haulers are still more talked about than any real cases of vaccine side effects. But it might not be for IA. That said, if you’re a nurse who deals with a lot of COVID cases, odds are, you almost certainly see more COVID long-haulers than people with serious side effects from the vaccine.

Nope. You can't compare adverse reactions to the vaccine to plane crashes like they're the rarest things to happen on planet earth. You can't say that. We don't have enough data yet to know how common adverse side effects are. We have a shit load of people claiming adverse side effects, but further study needs to go into that to see whether many of these supposed side effects are just coincidence, or whether they really are related to taking the vaccine. With insufficient data out there, nurses should have the option of making their own decision and making that risk assessment for themselves.

And as far as comparing covid vaccine hesitant people to Jenny McCarthy or whoever, that's dumb. You're doing what the MSM does. You're throwing out slurs like anti-vaxxer and comparing this vaccine to every other vaccine, when clearly this is a different situation we are in at the moment. An experimental vaccine released to the public that was made in under two years. You can't call that the same situation as other vaccines that took many more years to create and test. I'm not Jenny McCarthy. Vaccines are a fantastic thing.

[The Architect Of Fate]

And now pushing the "we don't have enough data" nonsense and pushing the "it came out too soon rubbish" 

The fact is we have more than enough data to say it's safe and far less risky than the alternative and the technology to make it isn't even new or experimental(most of it was developed in the 60s and 70s) and was based on the fact we already know a great deal about Covids viral family group so the development of a vaccine far easier than previous viruses because we weren't starting from scratch. So both these objections are bullshit and if people don't like being called Anti Vaxxers then they shouldn't act like them 

[Rev. Rye]

59.2% of the world’s population has received at least one dose of the vaccine, most first-world nations have databases that collect info on exactly the same sort of shit IA claims we don’t have enough info on, and it’s been close to a year since vaccines started to roll out to the public. To claim there isn’t enough data yet is preposterous.

[The Architect Of Fate]

59.2% of the world’s population has received at least one dose of the vaccine, most first-world nations have databases that collect info on exactly the same sort of shit IA claims we don’t have enough info on, and it’s been close to a year since vaccines started to roll out to the public. To claim there isn’t enough data yet is preposterous.

It's not about the lack of actual evidence. It's merely an excuse used to move the goalpost forever. The fact is 

1. The methods to create the vaccine are well supported 

2. We have more than enough data to make a determination 

3. Those who refuse vaccines are without an excuse