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Role Models
#71
RE: Role Models
(September 12, 2021 at 6:38 pm)Spongebob Wrote:
(September 12, 2021 at 4:19 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I would never need shoes badly enough to rob someone of them.

Do you understand the concept of a question and an answer that is actually related to the question?
Yes, I do. Do you?
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#72
RE: Role Models
(September 12, 2021 at 6:41 pm)Ahriman Wrote:
(September 12, 2021 at 6:38 pm)Spongebob Wrote: Do you understand the concept of a question and an answer that is actually related to the question?
Yes, I do. Do you?

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Why is it so?
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#73
RE: Role Models
@Ahriman I remember something a Christian told me on ACAAA forum years ago. We were discussing this same topic of morals/ethics and he actually said that scams didn't bother him and weren't a problem because they generated profits and income. So here's a scam I'd like you to critique. I work for a small consulting firm and about two years ago our company servers were hacked and held for ransom. So, is this unethical, immoral behavior? Is it OK for a Christian to do this sort of thing? Is it god's will? Are we to sit back and yield to the hackers because it's god's will?
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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#74
RE: Role Models
(September 13, 2021 at 8:59 am)Spongebob Wrote: @Ahriman  I remember something a Christian told me on ACAAA forum years ago.  We were discussing this same topic of morals/ethics and he actually said that scams didn't bother him and weren't a problem because they generated profits and income.  So here's a scam I'd like you to critique.  I work for a small consulting firm and about two years ago our company servers were hacked and held for ransom.  So, is this unethical, immoral behavior?  Is it OK for a Christian to do this sort of thing?  Is it god's will?  Are we to sit back and yield to the hackers because it's god's will?
That's a sophisticated question. Yes, it is unethical/immoral behavior, but that doesn't mean it isn't part of God's Plan. The hacking itself, is God's Will, but your response to the hacking, could vary. You are free to take care of the hackers however you see fit. In this scenario. God is not demanding that the hackers be successful.
"Imagination, life is your creation."
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#75
RE: Role Models
(September 13, 2021 at 9:19 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(September 13, 2021 at 8:59 am)Spongebob Wrote: @Ahriman  I remember something a Christian told me on ACAAA forum years ago.  We were discussing this same topic of morals/ethics and he actually said that scams didn't bother him and weren't a problem because they generated profits and income.  So here's a scam I'd like you to critique.  I work for a small consulting firm and about two years ago our company servers were hacked and held for ransom.  So, is this unethical, immoral behavior?  Is it OK for a Christian to do this sort of thing?  Is it god's will?  Are we to sit back and yield to the hackers because it's god's will?
That's a sophisticated question. Yes, it is unethical/immoral behavior, but that doesn't mean it isn't part of God's Plan. The hacking itself, is God's Will, but your response to the hacking, could vary. You are free to take care of the hackers however you see fit. In this scenario. God is not demanding that the hackers be successful.

Hold on.  You said before that morality and ethics don't matter.  Your words: "I don't need to be moral, God covers that base for me. God is moral, so I don't need to be."  Now you are saying something is immoral.  But according to you, you could be the hacker and you see nothing wrong with it.  Am I misunderstanding you?  Which is it?  Is there such a thing as moral/ethical behavior?  If so, doesn't that mean people should abide by these behaviors?

Also, how would you know that a hack is part of god's plan?  Where do you get that information?  Why can't it just be a group of criminals?  What if I told you that the company I work for has ties to the maffia and runs various illegal enterprises?  Now the hackers are the "good guys", right?  This is where "god's plan" becomes so abstract that its impossible to make sense of it.  You can say anything is god's plan, or nothing at all.  How can you tell the difference?
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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#76
RE: Role Models
Even if I am immoral, I wouldn't necessarily hack a company's servers. Perhaps I would want to keep a lower profile than that. Just because a person is immoral, does not mean he or she would be willing to do any immoral act possible.
"Imagination, life is your creation."
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#77
RE: Role Models
(September 13, 2021 at 10:08 am)Ahriman Wrote: Even if I am immoral, I wouldn't necessarily hack a company's servers. Perhaps I would want to keep a lower profile than that. Just because a person is immoral, does not mean he or she would be willing to do any immoral act possible.

That doesn't answer my questions.  Would you mind reading my post again and answering my question, please?
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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#78
RE: Role Models
(September 13, 2021 at 10:10 am)Spongebob Wrote:
(September 13, 2021 at 10:08 am)Ahriman Wrote: Even if I am immoral, I wouldn't necessarily hack a company's servers. Perhaps I would want to keep a lower profile than that. Just because a person is immoral, does not mean he or she would be willing to do any immoral act possible.

That doesn't answer my questions.  Would you mind reading my post again and answering my question, please?
You tend to ask asinine questions, which is why I don't feel like answering them.
"Imagination, life is your creation."
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#79
RE: Role Models
(September 13, 2021 at 9:52 am)Spongebob Wrote:
(September 13, 2021 at 9:19 am)Ahriman Wrote: That's a sophisticated question. Yes, it is unethical/immoral behavior, but that doesn't mean it isn't part of God's Plan. The hacking itself, is God's Will, but your response to the hacking, could vary. You are free to take care of the hackers however you see fit. In this scenario. God is not demanding that the hackers be successful.

Hold on.  You said before that morality and ethics don't matter.  Your words: "I don't need to be moral, God covers that base for me. God is moral, so I don't need to be."  Now you are saying something is immoral.  But according to you, you could be the hacker and you see nothing wrong with it.  Am I misunderstanding you?  Which is it?  Is there such a thing as moral/ethical behavior?  If so, doesn't that mean people should abide by these behaviors?

Also, how would you know that a hack is part of god's plan?  Where do you get that information?  Why can't it just be a group of criminals?  What if I told you that the company I work for has ties to the maffia and runs various illegal enterprises?  Now the hackers are the "good guys", right?  This is where "god's plan" becomes so abstract that its impossible to make sense of it.  You can say anything is god's plan, or nothing at all.  How can you tell the difference?

You're expecting to get rational answers and consistent behavior from a person who exhibits schizotypal personality tendencies? Good luck with that.
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#80
RE: Role Models
(September 13, 2021 at 10:11 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(September 13, 2021 at 10:10 am)Spongebob Wrote: That doesn't answer my questions.  Would you mind reading my post again and answering my question, please?
You tend to ask asinine questions, which is why I don't feel like answering them.

I see.  Do you not care that this behavior is insulting?  If you ask me a question, as long as it is sincere, I feel it's only good manners to answer honestly.

Or, could it be that my questions make you uncomfortable because I'm challenging beliefs that you thought you had figured out?  Have you considered why you are participating on an open forum?  If it's not to be open and honest, then why do it?  I mean, it takes time and energy to do this.  You could be doing something relaxing.  My motto has always been that anything worth doing is worth doing well.

(September 13, 2021 at 10:12 am)brewer Wrote:
(September 13, 2021 at 9:52 am)Spongebob Wrote: Hold on.  You said before that morality and ethics don't matter.  Your words: "I don't need to be moral, God covers that base for me. God is moral, so I don't need to be."  Now you are saying something is immoral.  But according to you, you could be the hacker and you see nothing wrong with it.  Am I misunderstanding you?  Which is it?  Is there such a thing as moral/ethical behavior?  If so, doesn't that mean people should abide by these behaviors?

Also, how would you know that a hack is part of god's plan?  Where do you get that information?  Why can't it just be a group of criminals?  What if I told you that the company I work for has ties to the maffia and runs various illegal enterprises?  Now the hackers are the "good guys", right?  This is where "god's plan" becomes so abstract that its impossible to make sense of it.  You can say anything is god's plan, or nothing at all.  How can you tell the difference?

You're expecting to get rational answers and consistent behavior from a person who exhibits schizotypal personality tendencies? Good luck with that.

I'll give it a shot.  At the very least its informative which questions they refuse to answer.

@Ahriman So I just would like to know which of my questions are "asinine" and why so?  After all, my questions are based solely on YOUR comments and are an attempt to understand what your meaning is.

Again, this is a forum, which suggests that people are here to discuss matters.  If all you really want to do is spout silly quips and avoid defending your positions, then why bother posting here at all?  Is this perhaps and outlet for some sort of frustration?
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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