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A Beautiful Lie
#11
RE: A Beautiful Lie
A beautiful lie, to the Gestapo: 'No, there are certainly no Jews here! We'll definitely call you at once if we see any!'
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#12
RE: A Beautiful Lie
I'm sure there are plenty of wonderful lies that people tell, sometimes with good intent and others not. But I don't think its ever bad to question such a lie. I think its actually good practice to question them and to question almost everything. I don't regard hopes or stretch goals to be a lie, but rather challenges that require extraordinary effort to attain. I enjoy picking apart such lies and examining their flaws. Even if it is a lie, there might still be some good to come of it or some good ideas involved.

One example of what I would call a "beautiful lie" is the practice some religious leaders have that if you follow such and such rules or believe such and such with all your heart that magical things will happen. You will attain great wealth, be assured of health and happiness. So on and so forth. These are somewhat well intentioned lies but they are absolutely lies and not worthy of acceptance. Depending on how good the purveyor of the lie is, they can be almost hypnotizing in their allure.

The truly interesting question for me is why some people so readily accept such lies and why they fail to question things that are obviously intended to manipulate and exploit them.

(January 10, 2022 at 7:08 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: That's just it, the lie is beautiful to the ones who want to believe in it, but to others, who see it's a lie, it's not beautiful.

I didn't consider this aspect in my first response.  Yes, we are all quite familiar with such situations, particularly with Trump, the right wing, corona...so forth.  And I understand you appear to be saying that whoever questions the lie is the bad person expressly because they are questioning it.  This is a psychological question and brings into focus the entire field of group think, in group vs out group, security and probably a host of psychological issues I know little about.  I do know that people tend to believe what makes them feel comfortable in the world and reject information that contradicts that "framework".  This is a huge reason that Christian indoctrination sticks to well.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller
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#13
RE: A Beautiful Lie
(January 9, 2022 at 11:55 am)Ranjr Wrote: "Does this dress make me look fat?"

"Not at all, darlin."  :-x

Dresses/skirts rarely make people look fat; I speak from experience here.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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#14
RE: A Beautiful Lie
(January 9, 2022 at 11:56 am)HappySkeptic Wrote: A beautiful dream can have a life of its own, to inspire and change.

The thing is, anyone can have such a dream - the question is whether it is achievable, and whether the dreamer has the ability to turn it into reality.

Musk has shown that he can make his dreams reality.  Sure, it makes no sense right now to set up colonies on Mars, as they can't be self-sustaining.  They will always be a huge money-sink, and eventually the colonies will be abandoned.  But, perhaps that can be solved one day.  I'll take the ability for humans to get to different rocks in the Solar System as a huge win.  We will let others figure out how to make money off such travel (asteroid mining, tourism, etc.).

A hundred years ago Musk would have been touring hick towns selling snake oil. These days being a welfare queen* is far more profitable.

*Given the billions ingovernment subsidies his companies get this is accurate.
As a species, we are fucked. To the next generation, I offer my inadequate apologies.
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#15
RE: A Beautiful Lie
Lies are always ugly. One knows this.

"I believe that love of truth is the basis of all real virtue, and that virtues based upon lies can only do harm.“ — Bertrand Russell 1920s
Schopenhauer Wrote:The intellect has become free, and in this state it does not even know or understand any other interest than that of truth.

Epicurus Wrote:The greatest reward of righteousness is peace of mind.

Epicurus Wrote:Don't fear god,
Don't worry about death;

What is good is easy to get,

What is terrible is easy to endure
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