(February 28, 2023 at 7:51 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Right, and so they take bakhmut at unnacceptable costs, and then what? Do it all over again with the next already ruined town behind it? Every time they do this, I think, it actually increases the risk that they lob a tactical nuke, because it removes any other possible action from within their realm of options.
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 (March 1, 2023 at 6:48 am)Leonardo17 Wrote:(February 28, 2023 at 8:16 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: This war won't end until Putin for whatever reason decides it will end. A definite possibility. 
Hullo. Been following the thread along fora while.
My prediction? Things will get weirder politically before they get better. Though I'd be much happier for things just to get better.
There's probably a version of the future where things get weirder because they get better for ukraine.
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Apparently, the Wagner Group are being sent into Bakhmut, because it makes more sense for professional mercenaries to declare victory over a smoking pile of rubble that it does for regular troops to do the same.
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March 1, 2023 at 12:45 pm
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Wagner and the russian MOD just had a very public spat over an extremely sore point for the russian war effort. Maybe putin wanted them fighting, because it's some part of how he maintains his authority. Maybe he's lost some part of that authority and this being so public is a demonstration of that. Maybe it was all a brilliant russian disinfo op.
I think this is a kiss and make up on good terms for both sides. Wagner made bakhmut it's thing. Wagner really was the only outfit making any kind of progress whatsoever for the majority of this war. It's demonstrably clear that russian combat units were not being adequately or competently supported. Wagner does not mind claiming victory over piles of rubble. You can save the regulars for the "liberation" of some still living city in future. It will look alot better - they can even bring their parade stuff!
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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Previous username: GUBU God! Theresa, I forgot me fecking trousers!  Religious Views: the Disc's first ligthning proof atheist (February 23, 2023 at 10:38 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(February 23, 2023 at 9:11 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Expect the misinformation to get worse with elon selling blue checks to and retweeting comments from russian troll farms in open defiance of financial sanctions. To be honest it's not hard to play bad grifters. First whiff of money and they'll fall right into your hands.
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Previous username: GUBU God! Theresa, I forgot me fecking trousers! Religious Views: the Disc's first ligthning proof atheist (February 25, 2023 at 10:16 am)brewer Wrote:(February 25, 2023 at 8:44 am)Belacqua Wrote: The 32 countries that abstained contain about half of the world's population, including: Not even that. Nine of those countries are either dictatorships or near dictatorships where the will of the people is not taken into account.
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Home  (March 2, 2023 at 6:07 am)GUBU Wrote:(February 25, 2023 at 10:16 am)brewer Wrote: argumentum ad populum? A study at Princeton University proved that the US is not a democracy, and the will of the people is not taken into account. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746 (March 2, 2023 at 6:49 am)Belacqua Wrote:(March 2, 2023 at 6:07 am)GUBU Wrote: Not even that. Nine of those countries are either dictatorships or near dictatorships where the will of the people is not taken into account. And yet, 65% of Americans support US assistance to Ukraine. Boru
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