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RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 4, 2022 at 2:15 pm
(April 4, 2022 at 11:03 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Quote
Several Donbas draftees have been issued with a rifle called a Mosin, which was developed in the late 19th century and went out of production decades ago, according to three people who saw conscripts from the separatist region using the weapon.
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A bit of ignorance here..
The rifle they are describing is either the Mosin Nagant 91/30 or M44 carbine. While these are older rifles - with lousy finish - they are none the less a capable battlefield rifle. Additionally - it uses a more powerful cartridge 7.62x 54 than the AK47 uses, 7.62 x 39.
Sure it is a bolt action - but it is capable of making long range shots an AK47 could not.
I have owned both - and would not be afraid of trusting one to work as needed....
I’m absolutely NOT doubting anything you’ve said here (you’re the firearms expert, not me), but isn’t even a good weapon less effecting in the hands of someone who hasn’t been trained in its use?
These poor conscripts are cannon fodder.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 4, 2022 at 2:19 pm
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If there is one thing the Russians knows how to do better than anyone else it is how to make the relatives of cannon fodder feel thankful for the government that fed fodder to the cannons, and feel honored to be related to the fodder thus consumed.
One should read the history of the Soviet side of WWII to see much of the cultural baggage that shaped the lead up and the progress of this war. Russian of WWII generation that survived the war actually brag about how few of their class in school survived the war to show what a truly studdly year they were born in. The overall percent of russian school year classes who reached drafting age during WWII that survived WWII is truly ghastly. I believe for one of the graduating class just before the war the survival rate through WWII is like 5%.
something like only 5% of all the men in russia who were 18 in 1941, when the war started for russia, survived the war.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 4, 2022 at 3:00 pm
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Russia no longer has the population required for this to be feasible. They have half our pop, and the same birth rates. Broadly speaking, no reference to the soviet union is accurate with respect to the russian state today.
As far as the bolt actions conscripts have been showing up with - garbage. There are many, many, perfectly wonderful rifles that are garbage on a modern battlefield no matter how much training the person has - or how little the other guy has. In fairness to russian planners...it's unclear that it would even matter if their infantry were competently equipped. It's all a bit difficult to swallow, really. This is the clown army that ran roughshod over syrians as the rest of the world watched.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 4, 2022 at 3:35 pm
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This is no longer a bipolar world of US and USSR providing the main strength of two opposing global camps. So Russia is not really in a demographic contest with the US.
They remain a regional power in several regions, so they in a long term demographic contest with all the states directly adjacent to them. In that their main rivals are China, former Soviet republics, and the EU, particularly eastern EU.
They can’t do anything about China because China has already won decisively for the foreseeable future even if they are no longer win-Ning. But since around 2013, they’ve been doing well compare to most of the former Soviet republics, particularly Ukraine. They are also doing well against key stated of EU.
Unless this war go nuclear, no one thinks this war will take a toll on Russian demographics similar to WWII. But it is well to keep in mind that Russian willingness and capacity to absorb casualties is still in a different class from western states.
(April 4, 2022 at 3:00 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Russia no longer has the population required for this to be feasible. They have half our pop, and the same birth rates. Broadly speaking, no reference to the soviet union is accurate with respect to the russian state today.
As far as the bolt actions conscripts have been showing up with - garbage. There are many, many, perfectly wonderful rifles that are garbage on a modern battlefield no matter how much training the person has - or how little the other guy has. In fairness to russian planners...it's unclear that it would even matter if their infantry were competently equipped. It's all a bit difficult to swallow, really. This is the clown army that ran roughshod over syrians as the rest of the world watched.
The army that ran roughshod over the Syrians wasn’t an field army. It was special forces that conducted a large and extended special force operation.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 4, 2022 at 3:55 pm
Bipolarism was a stupid policy having two imperialist camps isn't any better then having one 
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 4, 2022 at 3:57 pm
(April 4, 2022 at 3:55 pm)Helios Wrote: Bipolarism was a stupid policy having two imperialist camps isn't any better then having one
It sure as hell is. Having two means each have to actually present some genuinely attractive aspects to stay competitive.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 4, 2022 at 4:05 pm
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Quote:It sure as hell is. Having two means each have to actually present some genuinely attractive aspects to stay competitive.
No, it's not. Having a set of douchebags trying to outdo each other and dragging the whole world into their geopolitical dick-measuring contests is bad for all involved. Your delusional nonsense about balance is what's fantasy around here 
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 4, 2022 at 4:14 pm
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Do you really think the capitalist world would really have ever concerned itself with any semblance of concern for worker’s rights, that happen to linger to today to make the western system seem palatable, if it were not for the credible competition from the story of alternate worker’s paradise pushed by communist camp for 3/4 century?
Are you so dilusional that you think unchecked power for any cunning enough to achieve that power could possibly lead to anything other than unchecked self aggrandizement at the expense of the rest of humanity?
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 4, 2022 at 4:17 pm
Quote:Do you really think the capitalist world would really have ever concerned itself with any semblance of concern for worker’s rights, that happen to linger to today, if it were not for the credible competition from the story of alternate worker’s paradise pushed by communist camp for 3/4 century?
The idea that workers' rights required communism is just.....Wow 
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
April 4, 2022 at 4:19 pm
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(April 4, 2022 at 4:17 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:Do you really think the capitalist world would really have ever concerned itself with any semblance of concern for worker’s rights, that happen to linger to today, if it were not for the credible competition from the story of alternate worker’s paradise pushed by communist camp for 3/4 century?
The idea that workers' rights required communism is just.....Wow
Yeah, stretch you mind a bit, you have nothing but naivety, idiot complacency and moronic self righteousness to lose.
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