Russia and Ukraine

[Angrboda]

For those fantasizing about a NATO fracture following an American attack on Greenland:

Senate Republicans are vowing to block any effort by President Trump to seize Greenland by military force, as Trump officials on Wednesday refused to back off their demands to control the island during a meeting with top diplomats at the White House.

Republican senators are flummoxed by Trump’s insistence that he’s willing to use military force to seize control of Greenland from Denmark, something they fear will destroy the NATO alliance and give Russia a bigger advantage in its war against Ukraine.

Two Republican senators — Sens. Thom Tillis (N.C.) and Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) — plan to travel to Copenhagen on Friday to assure the Danish prime minister that there would be strong Republican opposition to any effort by Trump to use military force to seize Greenland.

“I’m going to remind them that we have coequal branches of government and I believe that there [is a] sufficient number of members, whether they speak up or not, that are concerned with this,” Tillis said of Trump’s threats.

“The actual execution of anything that would involve a taking of a sovereign territory that is part of a sovereign nation, I think would be met with pretty substantial opposition in Congress,” he said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5689...greenland/

The spineless twats already caved on Venezuela.

[Thumpalumpacus]

The spineless twats already caved on Venezuela.

Of course, NATO's survival was not on the line with Venezuela. I think that will change the math on Capitol Hill.

[Ivan Denisovich]

Yeah, reality is more complex. Here Dr. Evil was waking up and deciding on aggressive action many times before current imperialist aggression.

Now do America.

It's not America that is waging war on Ukraine.

I'm sincerely curious what you want to achieve? I know that USA was and is imperialist and that millions of people could truthfully state that it's action fucked up something (and great if unspecified number couldn't because they're dead thanks to said actions). It's however plain to me that you simply try to shift attention from criminal shithole ruled by imbecilic former kgb spook. Got tired of defending this Upper Volta with rockets?

[The Grand Nudger]

If the point of all your silly shit, Bel, is that Russia does the sort of shit that the us does….and the sort of shit the us does is bad and we should stop that….then this means that what Russia does is what, and what Russia should do is what?

[Belacqua]

Now do America.

It's not America that is waging war on Ukraine.

I'm sincerely curious what you want to achieve? I know that USA was and is imperialist and that millions of people could truthfully state that it's action fucked up something (and great if unspecified number couldn't because they're dead thanks to said actions). It's however plain to me that you simply try to shift attention from criminal shithole ruled by imbecilic former kgb spook. Got tired of defending this Upper Volta with rockets?

If the rule is we have to limit our attention to the country that is waging war on Ukraine, then, yes, I am off topic.

If we're allowed to talk about the country that is waging proxy war against Russia, then talking about the US is relevant.

Anyway, what I wanted to achieve was to get away from simplistic, Good vs. Evil, James Bond movie-type political views, and think about the background of these long-running conflicts.

Also I reject the idea that I have been "defending" Russia. I have been trying, through looking at many different sources, to get an accurate picture of what is going on.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It's not America that is waging war on Ukraine.

I'm sincerely curious what you want to achieve? I know that USA was and is imperialist and that millions of people could truthfully state that it's action fucked up something (and great if unspecified number couldn't because they're dead thanks to said actions). It's however plain to me that you simply try to shift attention from criminal shithole ruled by imbecilic former kgb spook. Got tired of defending this Upper Volta with rockets?

If the rule is we have to limit our attention to the country that is waging war on Ukraine, then, yes, I am off topic.

If we're allowed to talk about the country that is waging proxy war against Russia, then talking about the US is relevant.

Anyway, what I wanted to achieve was to get away from simplistic, Good vs. Evil, James Bond movie-type political views, and think about the background of these long-running conflicts.

Also I reject the idea that I have been "defending" Russia. I have been trying, through looking at many different sources, to get an accurate picture of what is going on.

What’s interesting is that one of the excuses (and it WAS an excuse, not an explanation) Putin used for the invasion was that if Ukraine joined NATO, it would place the alliance’s forces on Russia’s border.

Since you’re so fond of whataboutism, how do you think NATO should respond to Russian forces on its borders?

Boru

[Thumpalumpacus]

Also I reject the idea that I have been "defending" Russia. I have been trying, through looking at many different sources, to get an accurate picture of what is going on.

... by justifying their Ukrainian aggression, using their own propaganda themes and tropes, and refusing to criticize their atrocities beyond the rare passing mention.

You're a lot more transparent than you think you are.

[Angrboda]