Hello!

[brewer]

You can't describe the events that you claim to base your position on god/religion?

Some humans experience things that are not 'natural'. The medical community consider them aberrant.

Your last sentence seems to validate my point.

I said I won't, and then explained why.


@arewethereyet

I honestly don't remember at this point. To be honest I left the forum around the time Seth Andrews said TJ Kirk was bad for Atheism, and I was on TJ's side lol

If you won't then you won't. Not much more point of you being on an 'atheist' forum is there. Bye Bye.

[Green Diogenes]

My experience is fully in line with Biblical teachings about the Holy Spirit, so you wouldn't be finding anything new and interesting to mock unfortunately, Doggo.

[brewer]

My experience is fully in line with Biblical teachings about the Holy Spirit, so you wouldn't be finding anything new and interesting to mock unfortunately, Doggo.

If you're experience is in line with Biblical teachings then, being converted, you should be willing to discuss it. I think that the bible directs (commands) you to.

I doubt it would be anything new, but don't confuse mock with skeptical/informed refutation. 

Mods: please move this from introduction to religion.

[Mister Agenda]

Welcome, Green Diogenes. I hope you have fruitful conversations here. Thanks for making an intro thread, a lot of people can't be bothered to.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

My experience is fully in line with Biblical teachings about the Holy Spirit, so you wouldn't be finding anything new and interesting to mock unfortunately, Doggo.

If you're experience is in line with Biblical teachings then, being converted, you should be willing to discuss it. I think that the bible directs (commands) you to.

I doubt it would be anything new, but don't confuse mock with skeptical/informed refutation. 

Mods: please move this from introduction to religion.

‘Ask and it shall be given you.’

Boru

[onlinebiker]

And we still don' t know who it was on TTA ...

[vulcanlogician]

Hello, I was looking for forums to join and this one seemed like a good idea. I used to be a member of The Thinking Atheist forums back in the day, and this looks like a similar sort of place. Mostly hoping to find challenging conversations, keep things in practice. 

Oddly enough I ended up being brought to God in recent years. Wasn't anything I'd ever expected, being deep into Atheist thinking, and being fascinated by science and naturalism. I was hit in the face with it all at once, and it took a while to figure out exactly what was going on. Ended up happening in isolation, for the most part. Had a couple of 'Born Again Christians' try to convert me, but since they use emotional manipulation, cold reading and other trickery, it didn't work, because I spent over a decade studying cults as part of the Atheist community :L

I know I might be seen as a wolf entering the sheep pen here, but I'm not really particularly interested in trying to convince people of things or stir things up. I'm coming from the perspective of a lifelong atheist and rationalist who was forced to acknowledge God via what most people would call 'supernatural' events. Wouldn't even know how to convince my past self, let alone a randommer on the internet. 

I do have Biblical arguments against Young Earth Creationism though, which could be pretty fun. Got a lot to say about the Bible actually, because it doesn't seem to contain the Biblical Narrative

The Christians and Muslims won't let me talk about these things, so I'll see what you lot are like instead. There was a saying back in the TTA days; "Atheists know the Bible better than the Christians"

Hey man. Welcome to AF. Are you interested in Diogenes? Your name suggests you are. Just curious.

[brewer]

If you're experience is in line with Biblical teachings then, being converted, you should be willing to discuss it. I think that the bible directs (commands) you to.

I doubt it would be anything new, but don't confuse mock with skeptical/informed refutation. 

Mods: please move this from introduction to religion.

‘Ask and it shall be given you.’

Boru

[h311inac311]

Welcome to the forums my dude,

I think I get what you're talking about with your personal experience, I've had moments in my life where I felt like I meditated on the Lord during a time of great emotional strife that he actually answered my prayers but not in some vague way where I wasn't sure it was him. I think this is the kind of thing you are getting at, you meditated and entered a state of mind where you feel like you heard from God.

Of course atheistformus.org is not where experiences like this are respected very much, especially by doggo as he can be pretty ruff with supernatural claims.

You seem like a cool guy, hope to hear more from you.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Welcome to the forums my dude,

I think I get what you're talking about with your personal experience, I've had moments in my life where I felt like I meditated on the Lord during a time of great emotional strife that he actually answered my prayers but not in some vague way where I wasn't sure it was him. I think this is the kind of thing you are getting at, you meditated and entered a state of mind where you feel like you heard from God.

Of course atheistformus.org is not where experiences like this are respected very much, especially by doggo as he can be pretty ruff with supernatural claims.

You seem like a cool guy, hope to hear more from you.

(Bold mine)

Being ‘rough with supernatural claims’ makes perfect sense. If I make a natural claim, it is likely to be testable to determine whether or not it is true. If I make a supernatural claim, it is unlikely to be testable. 

For example, I wake up one day and find that an assortment of small rocks has appeared at the bottom of my garden. I make a natural claim that they were uncovered by a heavy rain that occurred overnight. This is testable by 1) investigating whether or not it rained, 2) determining if the rain was heavy enough to do the work, and 3) checking with my neighbours to see if they had experienced a similar phenomenon in their gardens.

One the other hand, I could make the claim that the rocks were deliberately placed in my garden by angels. I could construct an argument to support such a claim, but I couldn’t actually test it.

I’m hard pressed to think of a single supernatural claim that can’t be dismissed out of hand (on an evidentiary basis, at least).

Boru