Kanye West on Alex Jones

[arewethereyet]

If you claim that nothing in life is chosen consciously then you don't have to accept any responsibility for your choices or actions.

Pretty handy 'get out of jail free' card.

[Deesse23]

"Jew" is not a race, you racist pig.

Some of them consider it their race

Do they?
And that still doesnt make "jew" a race. Why are you so coy about your racism? A couple of pages ago you were proudly proclaiming to be a racist (however trying to mitigate this by making baseless claims of everyone else being somewhat racist too).

Dont be so shy, embrace your racism. Be proud of it. You may still be a racist subhuman piece of trash, but at least you would be somewhat less pathetic.

Most Jews in America identify as white Jews, but some American Jews (with white skin) still prefer to just go by Jewish and be separate from whites. Also, they see it as something passed down from birth, whether one is atheist or believer.

More rather feeble efforts to minimize your racism. I am talking about you and your hallmarks for being a human race, and you respond by wht others consider to be a race. Why dont you try to own your racism. Ever thought about what other racists, the one with more balls than you (zero), think about you? You are a fucking disgrace to (other) racists.

Not only a racist subhuman dumpster fire, but also a fucking coward, thats what you are. Really pathetic.

We'll call it ethnicity then. Does that make you happy?

No lets call a spade a spade and a racist a racist, ok? Race is not ethnicity, and you still are a garbage can full of racism.
Id be more happy you stopping to be a racist subhuman, instead of trying to sugar coat your racism. Like i said: cowardly and pathetic. If you think you are better than others, at least have the balls to own your convictions.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Well according to a judge the Jews aren't a race. Though they can be targeted as such 

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ju...ncna896806



Well according to academia they aren't a race 

https://lupress.cas.lehigh.edu/content/myth-jewish-race



Then there is this 

https://aish.com/are-jews-a-race-its-complicated/


So IA comment is sussy as hell

[LinuxGal]

Well according to a judge the Jews aren't a race. Though they can be targeted as such 

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ju...ncna896806



Well according to academia they aren't a race 

https://lupress.cas.lehigh.edu/content/myth-jewish-race

Race is an artificial construct.  This is an unpopular opinion for racists, who would have no basis for their bigotry, and also for professional victims, who would have no basis for their potential claims (ie. "reparations" for slavery).

[Irreligious Atheist]

Where is your evidence that things in life are chosen consciously? That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, right my dude? You're sounding an awful lot like a Christian right now.

Ever been to an AA meeting? Ever decide what to wear? No? Are you that unconscious?

No one wakes up one day choosing to be racist. It just happens. Could happen over the course of months or years.

I don't think it "just happens". I think it's taught, by people we love and look up to as children, by peer pressure  again in our youth, by social mores.

A little seed of hatred planted here and there, waiting to sprout, and one day after years, you just wake up a full fledged Nazi like Ye did. Bad experiences with other races or cultures could cause grudges to build up and someones heart to harden. All determinism.

So? He's still a bigoted scumbag, and so is anyone who shares his views. He doesn't have to think the way he does. The human brain is plastic and susceptible to reprogramming, as any Psychology 101 student can tell you.

Have I ever been to an AA meeting or decided what to wear? No and no. Again my dude, stop spitting off Christian talking points. Where is your evidence? Hitchens is rolling over in his grave right now. People in AA did not consciously choose to go there. It was an unconscious decision forced upon them, maybe because they reached rock bottom or whatever. They didn't have the choice not to go to AA. They were forced to make that "decision".

I didn't claim Ye wasn't bigoted. I just pointed out the obvious about determinism, which you've obviously never done a lick of research into if people going to AA is your best evidence for choice.

[Irreligious Atheist]

If you claim that nothing in life is chosen consciously then you don't have to accept any responsibility for your choices or actions.

Pretty handy 'get out of jail free' card.

No one said get out of jail. If a dog bites someone, we still put it down, regardless of whether it had a moral responsibility not to bite them. We shouldn't put humans down, but if they do harm legally, they need kept away from society. Legally insane people are put in an asylum because they didn't know any better. Sane people may "know better", but knowing better is not something that would consciously stop us from doing something bad. We are governed by cause and effect. We are not the one creature that can rise above that reality of the universe. We are just part of the universe, made up of star dust. We are not special or different from other animals when it comes to cause and effect. There is no ghost in the machine consciously making decisions. They're all made unconsciously. Free will is a fantastical religious idea, and and fantastical ideas require extraordinary evidence. I see no evidence on your side. Experience is not evidence. It's an illusion.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Have I ever been to an AA meeting or decided what to wear? No and no. Again my dude, stop spitting off Christian talking points. Where is your evidence? Hitchens is rolling over in his grave right now. People in AA did not consciously choose to go there. It was an unconscious decision forced upon them, maybe because they reached rock bottom or whatever. They didn't have the choice not to go to AA. They were forced to make that "decision".

So you've never been to an AA meeting but you know why every single member ever has gone there?

You're so full of shit your eyes are brown.

I didn't claim Ye wasn't bigoted. I just pointed out the obvious about determinism, which you've obviously never done a lick of research into if people going to AA is your best evidence for choice.

Determinism is an undemonstrated and axiomatic belief. I've done enough research to know that you're grandly overstating your case ... as per norm.

[Jackalope]

You have a gift for understatement, Thump

[Irreligious Atheist]

Have I ever been to an AA meeting or decided what to wear? No and no. Again my dude, stop spitting off Christian talking points. Where is your evidence? Hitchens is rolling over in his grave right now. People in AA did not consciously choose to go there. It was an unconscious decision forced upon them, maybe because they reached rock bottom or whatever. They didn't have the choice not to go to AA. They were forced to make that "decision".

So you've never been to an AA meeting but you know why every single member ever has gone there?

You're so full of shit your eyes are brown.

I didn't claim Ye wasn't bigoted. I just pointed out the obvious about determinism, which you've obviously never done a lick of research into if people going to AA is your best evidence for choice.

Determinism is an undemonstrated and axiomatic belief. I've done enough research to know that you're grandly overstating your case ... as per norm.

Yes, people don't go to AA if they don't have the will to go there. The will has to be there, and we don't choose whether we have that will or not. Again, you have provided me with no evidence. Remember, you were the one who posted the Hitchens quote, and now you dishonour Hitchens memory by refusing to provide evidence to back up your claims. I see you just posted that Hitchens quote to try to get a zinger on me, when you don't live by the Hitchens quote yourself. I knew it. I called it.

Whether the universe runs by hard determinism or not, there is still no free will either way. No ghost in the machine. We are not separate from the universe. We are merely the universe made conscious. Being part of the universe, we follow the laws of cause and effect just like anything else. Provide evidence otherwise, or you are no better than Joseph Smith claiming you dug up some gold tablets and talked to an angel, or a flat earther who claims the earth is flat because it looks that way when they look out of their window.

[arewethereyet]

From Kanye having a slave name to why people attend AA meetings.

Makes perfect sense, as per usual.