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RE: The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
January 17, 2023 at 5:59 am
(January 17, 2023 at 5:51 am)Tomato Wrote: Clearly, this thread stopped going anywhere a long time ago. Yup, his whole line of reasoning is based on silly assumptions about how evolution behaves. That just because something wasn't optimal or produced an overwhelming survival advantage it wasn't simply useful and stuck around and was improved upon. That evolution needs something absolutely essential to do something complex like subjective awareness.
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RE: The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
January 17, 2023 at 6:01 am
(January 16, 2023 at 9:34 pm)Dmitry1983 Wrote: (January 16, 2023 at 6:46 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: all it really demonstrates is that they're using a secondary pathway that doesn't correspond to normal visual perception but clearly is perception nonetheless. What do humans need normal visual perception for if they can function without it?
Because it's an evolutionary advantage. Humans with normal visual perception are less likely to be eaten by bears, and consequently more likely to pass on visual acuity to their offspring. The net result leads to fewer and fewer people becoming bear food, which gives them to time to invent things like agriculture and television.
Also, I suppose it would depend on how one defines 'function'. Blind people are certainly functional, but - let's face it - there are some things at which sighted people are better equipped to do.
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RE: The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
January 17, 2023 at 6:01 am
(January 17, 2023 at 5:54 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (January 17, 2023 at 5:30 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...umans-can/
A great question that materialistic atheists should answer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_other_minds
You need to become better at reading the links you post. From the article (bold mine):
Quote:Problem of other minds maintains that no matter how sophisticated someone's behavior is, behavior on its own does not guarantee the presence of thought. However, it is often disregarded by most philosophers as outdated. Behavior is recognized to occur due to a number of processes within the brain quelling much of the debate on this problem.
Boru The problem of other minds is a made-up problem. That might as well be last Thursdism.
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RE: The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
January 17, 2023 at 6:05 am
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(January 17, 2023 at 6:01 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (January 16, 2023 at 9:34 pm)Dmitry1983 Wrote: What do humans need normal visual perception for if they can function without it?
Because it's an evolutionary advantage. Humans with normal visual perception are less likely to be eaten by bears, and consequently more likely to pass on visual acuity to their offspring. The net result leads to fewer and fewer people becoming bear food, which gives them to time to invent things like agriculture and television.
Also, I suppose it would depend on how one defines 'function'. Blind people are certainly functional, but - let's face it - there are some things at which sighted people are better equipped to do.
Boru And even if it wasn't an advantage it would still have a use that would be worth keeping around. The mere fact X could function without Y in no way renders X not useful.
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RE: The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
January 17, 2023 at 6:13 am
(January 17, 2023 at 5:35 am)Helios Wrote: (January 17, 2023 at 5:30 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...umans-can/
A great question that materialistic atheists should answer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_other_minds Neither of these articles refutes anything. First article explicitely states that AI is better at pattern recognition.
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RE: The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
January 17, 2023 at 6:14 am
(January 17, 2023 at 5:35 am)Helios Wrote: (January 17, 2023 at 5:32 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: It refutes the claim that humans need subjective experience to perform complex actions. No it doesn't
It's experimentally confirmed.
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RE: The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
January 17, 2023 at 6:14 am
Quote:First article explicitely states that AI is better at pattern recognition.
Read the rest of my response.... 
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RE: The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
January 17, 2023 at 6:15 am
Quote:It's experimentally confirmed.
No it isn't 
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RE: The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
January 17, 2023 at 6:16 am
(January 17, 2023 at 5:54 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (January 17, 2023 at 5:30 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...umans-can/
A great question that materialistic atheists should answer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_other_minds
You need to become better at reading the links you post. From the article (bold mine): Some random guy edited this article last November without providing any citation
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit...1092672989
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RE: The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
January 17, 2023 at 6:19 am
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(January 17, 2023 at 6:01 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (January 16, 2023 at 9:34 pm)Dmitry1983 Wrote: What do humans need normal visual perception for if they can function without it?
Because it's an evolutionary advantage. Humans with normal visual perception are less likely to be eaten by bears
But catching an object is as complex as running away from bears. No qualia is necessary
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