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RE: Airplane & the conveyer belt
April 13, 2023 at 5:28 am
(This post was last modified: April 13, 2023 at 5:54 am by h4ym4n.)
The thrust of the jet engines would push the plane off the end of the conveyor no matter what the speed of conveyor
No flight at that time
It would be like the plane at the end of runway doing an engine test.
Full breaks full throttle conveyor matching the speed of wheels
Insufficient airflow for lift
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RE: Airplane & the conveyer belt
April 13, 2023 at 6:06 am
nothing is said about how long the conveyor is. it could be 10000 feet long for all we know.
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RE: Airplane & the conveyer belt
April 13, 2023 at 6:12 am
interesting aside, when the brakes on large passenger aircraft atr set to maximum stopping to help the plane that already achieved closed to take off speed to abort the take off without running off the runway, the landing gear tires can burst, not from friction with the runway, but from the radiant heat from the brake disks, which literally glow white hot from the friction with the brake pads.
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RE: Airplane & the conveyer belt
April 13, 2023 at 6:52 am
None of this explains why my luggage ends up in Guam.
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RE: Airplane & the conveyer belt
April 13, 2023 at 7:03 am
The point of this exercise is that the plane is not getting lift from the airflow. Until the airflow over the wing is faster than the flow under the wing there is no lift.
But "I told Orville, I told Wilbur, and now I'm tellin' YOU, that thing will never fly!"
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RE: Airplane & the conveyer belt
April 13, 2023 at 8:31 am
This thread, surely you can't be serious!
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RE: Airplane & the conveyer belt
April 13, 2023 at 1:13 pm
The conveyor is a red herring.
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RE: Airplane & the conveyer belt
April 13, 2023 at 2:17 pm
On the subject of whether a plane that is seemingly standing still WRT the ground can take off or land, it can.
The Russians developed a biplane transport aircraft, the An-2, that is highly optimized for low speed take off and landing on short unprepared air stripes. So the bi-plane has enormous wing area for its weight, lots of high lift devices on the wings to further reduce stalling speed, with a result that the plane can stay in the air at airspeeds as low as 30 mph.
So russian pilots sometime show off by turning the plane into the wind that is blowing at more than 30 mph, And the literally take off or land while stationary WRT the ground, or even going backwards WRT the ground, causing spectator’s jaws to drop.
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RE: Airplane & the conveyer belt
April 13, 2023 at 3:15 pm
(This post was last modified: April 13, 2023 at 4:31 pm by HappySkeptic.)
Lift is about airflow over the wing. No airspeed, no lift.
Now, if the jet had thrust vectoring, it might be possible if the engine had huge thrust. Or, it was taking off toward hurricane winds. But, until (the vertical component of thrust + lift due to airflow) > (the weight of the plane), it can't take off.
Now, could the treadmill cause air velocity because of a friction effect against the air? That is probably very tiny. Maybe if there were huge fans set up on the treadmill?
