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If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
RE: If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
(June 21, 2023 at 12:29 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: How many eggs stay unhatched for…. How many days was the ark drifting around?

300 plus days?
Worse, 30days and 30nights. A chick would hatch before it stopped raining. The storm is my favorite part. Fuck the boat. Years ago I sat down and worked out what the atmospheric pressure would have to be like in a one month storm that flooded the world. Imagine that every inch of the entire sky was a steam boiler that just exploded.

I’m sure R will come along soon to tell us it was global, and it wasn’t that much rain. Just enough to run up over the riprap and get your socks wet.
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RE: If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
I hope Religious-Farmer sticks around

It’s fun getting him to think for himself and watch him step on his dangly thing

You are a dude R?

Proverbs 3:5-6
New International Version
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart
   and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways submit to him,
   and he will make your paths straight.[a]

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RE: If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
This is why we don't have lions anymore:

[Image: noah2.jpg?quality=75&width=1200&auto=webp]
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RE: If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
(June 21, 2023 at 11:17 am)R-Farmer Wrote:
(June 21, 2023 at 10:29 am)Tomato Wrote: Yeah, but, who traveled all around the world to collect these eggs just to bring them back to the ark?

Again, God sent the animals to Noah. Noah loaded them. If you had limited space on your boat.. which would you take a chicken that take about 3 cubic feet of space and about 40 pounds of food/grain. Or an egg which requires no food, and less the 3 cubic inches of space?

i would take an egg that’s going to hatch into a chicken that takes 3 cubic feet of space no more than 21 days after being laid and at least 19 days before it stop raining anyway?

come to think it it, none of the common barn yard fowls or common game birds, with which our farmer friend must surely be acquainted, takes as long to turn from egg to hungry clucking space consuming live birds as it took to stop raining, much less when the ark finds my Ararat?

i am not sure which exhibits a greater degree of mind numbing ignorance,   thinking there could possibly be any basis in fact for genesis in the 21st century,   confusing scientific conjecture or hypothesis with biblical bullshit, or calling himself a farmer and not knowing the 1st thing about chicken eggs?
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RE: If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
(June 21, 2023 at 2:05 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: This is why we don't have lions anymore:

[Image: noah2.jpg?quality=75&width=1200&auto=webp]

Ohhh... gay lions!
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RE: If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
(June 21, 2023 at 12:29 pm)h4ym4n Wrote:
(June 21, 2023 at 10:54 am)R-Farmer Wrote: NIV, Gen 6:20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them.” So food or food animals were not to be counted in the 'pairs'

Nope. Not if 98% of all birds, insects, and reptiles are in egg form, and 95% of all mammals are in baby form. Not to mention there are more unclean animals than clean animals.
This would mean no food needed for the insects birds or reptiles stored as eggs. And if the majority of the mammals are drinking milk then all one would need is lots of hay for the dairy animals.


Maybe you haven't put it together yet but this whole putting eggs on the ark and baby mammals instead of full size adults is what makes it all work, as again it reduces the space needed to house the animals, the variety/quantity of food needed, any specialized environment requirement they may have or may create, and any threats from predatory or parasitic passengers on the ark.

Nope. Not if 98% of all birds, insects, and reptiles are in egg form,”

How many eggs stay unhatched for…. How many days was the ark drifting around?

300 plus day?


Let’s hear more majik to explain it


Chapter and verse of gathering eggs please?

where you get 300? do you have book chapter and verse to support this number?

Maybe you oughta read and familiarize yourself with the story starting in gen 6 before you start trying to represent it.
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RE: If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
(June 21, 2023 at 12:31 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Seems to me this god chap just tries to do things in the hardest most complicated way possibe, the best thing to do is have nothing to do with him/it

So... You know the cost of magic-ing that level of sin and debauchery off the earth, and have determined a flood is harder? if not how have you determined what God did is harder?
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RE: If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
(June 21, 2023 at 2:29 pm)R-Farmer Wrote:
(June 21, 2023 at 12:29 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: Nope. Not if 98% of all birds, insects, and reptiles are in egg form,”

How many eggs stay unhatched for…. How many days was the ark drifting around?

300 plus day?


Let’s hear more majik to explain it


Chapter and verse of gathering eggs please?

where you get 300? do you have book chapter and verse to support this number?

Maybe you oughta read and familiarize yourself with the story starting in gen 6 before you start trying to represent it.

It was a question for you..

You are far more up on this word of god than I am.


How long did they drift around after the 40 days and night rain storm?


Had to be long enough for an olive tree to sprout leaves? Or was that majiked also?

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RE: If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
(June 21, 2023 at 2:29 pm)R-Farmer Wrote:
(June 21, 2023 at 12:29 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: Nope. Not if 98% of all birds, insects, and reptiles are in egg form,”

How many eggs stay unhatched for…. How many days was the ark drifting around?

300 plus day?


Let’s hear more majik to explain it


Chapter and verse of gathering eggs please?

where you get 300? do you have book chapter and verse to support this number?

Maybe you oughta read and familiarize yourself with the story starting in gen 6 before you start trying to represent it.


Got that chapter and verse for the egg collection instead of walking things going on the ark?

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RE: If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
(June 21, 2023 at 12:32 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: 1. “you are ignorant or stupid” is not an ad hominem attack.   it is an observation or assertion.

from the merrium-webster:
ad hominem
1 of 2
adjective
ad ho·mi·nem (ˈ)ad-ˈhä-mə-ˌnem  
-nəm
1
: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
an ad hominem argument
2
: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
made an ad hominem personal attack on his rival


So what makes what you did an ad hom attack was to address my personal deficiencies as you see them rather than address the content of my posting.

If We were discussing why the sky is blue and I give out some ludicrous explanation, Then to call be stupid for being wrong is an ad hom attack. Wether I am wrong or not is irrelevant. In an intelligent logic based discussion you can demonstrate how wrong your opponent/stupid your opponent is by besting him with in the contents of the discussion. by offering him proof, verifiable truth, logic or even a plausible theory. But the moment you go after the faults of an individual you abandon the intellectual discussion and concede the subject for an attack against the person. Which is what ad hominem means.



Quote:2. “you are wrong because your arguments do not make sense and contradict known facts” is not an ad hominem attack.  it is also an observation or assertion.
If my argument contains failures of logic then they should be easily dispelled with a citation to an authoritative source., verifiable truth, logic or even a plausible theory.  Calling someone 'stoo-ped' because you do not understand (which is what "makes no sense" actually means) is an appeal to a ad hom fallacy. Meaning you are attempting to win the argument without addressing the argument itself. If you do not understand someone how how it makes sense just ask a question. I am very happy to share and connect any missed dots. 


Quote:3. “you are wrong because your arguments do not make sense and contradict known facts, and you must be very ignorant or stupid to get it so wrong ” is also not an ad hominem attack.  it is also an observation, followed by a explanatory hypothesis.   the fact that the explanatory hypothesis is not flattering does not make it as hominem.
If your "explanatory hypothesis" focus on the messenger and not the content of the message it is an ad hom attack. Which in of itself is in fact a logical fallacy.


Quote:4. “you are wrong because you are ignorant and stupid” is an ad hominem attack. 
actually both are.
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