Signature in the Cell: DNA as Evidence for Design, beside Nature's Laws/Fine-Tuning.

[Foxaèr]

The most revered theists are the ones who can insert the terms god or jesus into any nonsense sentence and have gullible believers praising it as brilliantly divine.

[Anomalocaris]

‘Nishant Xavier"

1. Codes are always evidence of design.
2. The genetic code in DNA is a code.
3. Therefore, the genetic code in DNA is evidence of design.

You throw these things around in this forum as a cockatoo might throw around uncomprehended saying in the midst a learned discussion amongst humans 


Code is only “always an evidence of design” if one chose or only call those things which function like code and is designed “a code”.    But there are enormous number of things in nature which works in ways analogous to codes, but which isn’t designed.

When biologists say DNA is a code, they mean it functions in ways analogous to an artificially contrived code.    It does not mean it is artificially contrived.     If you do not know this, then you are not capable of using the saying “DNA is a code” in a way that does not betray you as a crockpot religious ignoramus.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The most revered theists are the ones who can insert the terms god or jesus into any nonsense sentence and have gullible believers praising it as brilliantly divine.

I once sat next to dude on a flight from JFK to Leonardo da Vinci Airport in Rome. We chatted and he told me that he was on his was to the Vatican to be defrocked. "I was a trained Jesuit and just couldn't do the song-and-dance bullshit anymore. Many of my fellow 'black robes' feel the same way but they are invested in the system and stuck with it."

Society of Jesus of the Latter Day Fails.

[Fake Messiah]

About 15 years ago, Dr. Meyer wrote Signature in the Cell, arguing that DNA was evidence of Design. While Atheists of course criticized the book (no surprises there!),

Not just atheists, but the court rejected it too as bullshit. Like the judge in the Dover trial in which Dr. Meyer participated. This is what the judge said about Dr. Meyer and his ilk

The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy. It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy.

The overwhelming evidence at trial established that ID is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory.

https://www.pbs.org/remotelyconnected/20...igent.html


But hey, when has something that was demonstrated as a lie ever stopped a creationist from believing in it?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

https://ncse.ngo/cdesign-proponentsists

[Astreja]

Thoughts? How much more does the Creator/Designer of the Universe have to do for us in order for us to acknowledge His Existence?

 Actually. Fucking. Show. Up. In. The. Physical. World. In. 2023.

That is my evidentiary standard, Nishant.  There are no philosophical arguments that I find sufficiently convincing.  Not a single one.  I need firsthand physical evidence of a god-like being, and until I receive that evidence I am proceeding on the assumption that all gods and god-like beings are fictional.

[Anomalocaris]

Thoughts? How much more does the Creator/Designer of the Universe have to do for us in order for us to acknowledge His Existence?

 Actually. Fucking. Show. Up. In. The. Physical. World. In. 2023.

That is my evidentiary standard, Nishant.  There are no philosophical arguments that I find sufficiently convincing.  Not a single one.  I need firsthand physical evidence of a god-like being, and until I receive that evidence I am proceeding on the assumption that all gods and god-like beings are fictional.

he didn’t have to create the universe for us to a knowledge him.   he only had to do what any fungus or body odor bacteria manage without any hassle every fucking day - he needs to exist like these microorganisms do.    he failed even that.

we are not haughty.   but we do have standards.   we believe on fairness.   we can not stoop to credit such a flunky as being deserving of the accolade of acknowledgement.   for doing so would be an insult to all things which actually did accomplish the great feat of merely existing, and it contravenes our inner sense of fair play.

[brewer]

Somebody needs to get their money back from the catholics.

You don't get to argue any god(s) into existence, except maybe to suckers.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Somebody needs to get their money back from the catholics.

You don't get to argue any god(s) into existence, except maybe to suckers.

Most people DON'T WANT TO KNOW it's all bullshit. They're willing to lie to themselves and everybody else about what is "truth". Then they can forget about it.

[The Architect Of Fate]

1. Codes are always evidence of design.

Unfounded assumption. Codes are evidence of codes. Whatever one means by that. 

2. The genetic code in DNA is a code

It can be thought of as being like a code. But as the previous assumption is unfounded so is this one.

3. Therefore, the genetic code in DNA is evidence of design.

Again the last two assumptions are unfounded this one is as well.