Dr. Bill Craig's Debates: Why do Atheists lose/run away from debating him?

[Silver]

You're ill is not properly understanding his comment. Your math logic includes your erroneous interpretation.

[Silver]

Hitchens: "There's no claim I know to make that "Atheism is True", because Atheism is the proposition that a certain proposition isn't True".

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"There's no claim I know to make that 'Atheism is True',

This part is pretty self explanatory.

The part you're confused about is the second one:

"because Atheism is the proposition that a certain proposition isn't True".

Atheism is the proposition that the theistic comment 'god is real' isn't True.

[Fake Messiah]

I'd say I've been fairly successful in life. I was born in a poor family. By the Grace of God, through education and hard work, I got into some of the best colleges on merit and today am an Investment Banker in a Senior Position earning a Great Salary. I succeeded against all odds, by the Grace of God, in spite of countless "naysayers" like yourself.

Well, aren't you the lucky one. God made you a rich investment banker while at the same time, he won't move a finger to save thousands of children under five years of age that will die today and every day no matter how much their parents pray for their recovery. Or when he did not stop a holocaust of six million people.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

On the subject of debates, this one’s a corker.





Two hours, but worth the time.

Spoiler:

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Fry and Hitchens won, and won big.

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Boru

[no one]

god has no time for the frail, weak, and or ill. And free will is occasionally a big deal.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You gonna hate this:

https://ecampusontario.pressbooks.pub/co...fallacies/

[Nay_Sayer]

You're a silly failure turtle
[snipped for brevity]

According to whom? I'd say I've been fairly successful in life. I was born in a poor family. By the Grace of God, through education and hard work, I got into some of the best colleges on merit and today am an Investment Banker in a Senior Position earning a Great Salary. I succeeded against all odds, by the Grace of God, in spite of countless "naysayers" like yourself. If you want to contribute something positive to this thread on the God debate, you should do that instead of speaking about "failure turtle"s (whatever that means) and FSM stuff.

Tomato:

"P: is there a statement that makes atheism true?
Q: "god is real" is not a true statement"

Keep it simple.

P: God Exists, Theism is True.
Q. God does not Exist, Theism is not True.

The question is, does Q not have a Truth Value because it is a negation of P? The answer is, obviously not. In fact, if P has a Truth Value, then ~P (not P) also necessarily has a Truth Value. Hitchens has no clue what he's talking about. If P is true, Q is false. If P is false, Q is true. By the very fact that P has a Truth Value, it follows logically that not P, or Q, or the negation of P, also has a Truth Value, the opposite Truth Value. 

Wiki: "In logic and mathematics, a truth value, sometimes called a logical value, is a value indicating the relation of a proposition to truth, which in classical logic has only two possible values (true or false).[1][2]"

Regards,
Xavier.

According to whom? I'd say I've been fairly successful in life. I was born in a poor family. By the Grace of FSM, through education and hard work, I got into some of the best colleges on merit and today am a cemetery caretaker. I succeeded against all odds, by the Grace of FSM, in spite of countless doubters like yourself. If you want to contribute something positive to this thread on the FSM debate, you should do that instead of rambling on like a lunatic, ignoring others, and proselytizing.

Also, you don't know what brevity means. lol.

Continued thoughts and prayers failure turtle.

RAmen

[Anomalocaris]

According to whom? I'd say I've been fairly successful in life. I was born in a poor family. By the Grace of God, through education and hard work, I got into some of the best colleges on merit and today am an Investment Banker in a Senior Position earning a Great Salary. I succeeded against all odds, by the Grace of God, in spite of countless "naysayers" like yourself. If you want to contribute something positive to this thread on the God debate, you should do that instead of speaking about "failure turtle"s (whatever that means) and FSM stuff.

Tomato:

"P: is there a statement that makes atheism true?
Q: "god is real" is not a true statement"

Keep it simple.

P: God Exists, Theism is True.
Q. God does not Exist, Theism is not True.

The question is, does Q not have a Truth Value because it is a negation of P? The answer is, obviously not. In fact, if P has a Truth Value, then ~P (not P) also necessarily has a Truth Value. Hitchens has no clue what he's talking about. If P is true, Q is false. If P is false, Q is true. By the very fact that P has a Truth Value, it follows logically that not P, or Q, or the negation of P, also has a Truth Value, the opposite Truth Value. 

Wiki: "In logic and mathematics, a truth value, sometimes called a logical value, is a value indicating the relation of a proposition to truth, which in classical logic has only two possible values (true or false).[1][2]"

Regards,
Xavier.

According to whom? I'd say I've been fairly successful in life. I was born in a poor family. By the Grace of FSM, through education and hard work, I got into some of the best colleges on merit and today am a cemetery caretaker. I succeeded against all odds, by the Grace of FSM, in spite of countless doubters like yourself. If you want to contribute something positive to this thread on the FSM debate, you should do that instead of rambling on like a lunatic, ignoring others, and proselytizing.

Also, you don't know what brevity means. lol.

Continued thoughts and prayers failure turtle.

RAmen

For shame!

RAmen is doctrinally incorrect and bordering on the schismatic.  the proper salutation as revealed to us by the divine noodle is clearly Udon.

[Nay_Sayer]

According to whom? I'd say I've been fairly successful in life. I was born in a poor family. By the Grace of FSM, through education and hard work, I got into some of the best colleges on merit and today am a cemetery caretaker. I succeeded against all odds, by the Grace of FSM, in spite of countless doubters like yourself. If you want to contribute something positive to this thread on the FSM debate, you should do that instead of rambling on like a lunatic, ignoring others, and proselytizing.

Also, you don't know what brevity means. lol.

Continued thoughts and prayers failure turtle.

RAmen

For shame!

RAmen is doctrinally incorrect and bordering on the schismatic.  the proper salutation as revealed to us by the divine noodle is clearly Udon.

Heresy! 

[The Architect Of Fate]

Hitchens also committed a blatant or elementary logical fallacy in the midst of the debate. Here are his words:

Hitchens: "There's no claim I know to make that "Atheism is True", because Atheism is the proposition that a certain proposition isn't True".

Atheism is a belief rather than a statement of knowledge.  If you say "I believe in God" and I say "I don't," we can both be correct because we are stating our own beliefs.  For me, atheism is true because I am accurately reporting my own perspective.

Things get muddy when you say "God exists" and I say "I don't believe you."  You are now making a knowledge claim, namely that your god does exist, while I continue to state my own belief.  My belief remains true for me, but your claim is indeterminate because you haven't yet demonstrated its truth value.

Maybe replace belief with lack of belief