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Creator God Gets to Make the Rules
July 24, 2023 at 7:21 pm
If there is a Creator god, is he allowed, by virtue of being the creator and controller of everything, to do what he wants? Even if it is unjust? Even if it doesn't make sense to his creations?
Does he have the right to kill us, to manipulate us, to demand worship?
Like, I'm talking about "right" as in we aren't allowed to be upset, we have no authority to stand on to challenge him because he made us, he owns us. We have no justification for our rebellion because we were created for his purposes.
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RE: Creator God Gets to Make the Rules
July 24, 2023 at 7:22 pm
Reply to your imaginary friend.
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RE: Creator God Gets to Make the Rules
July 24, 2023 at 7:37 pm
@ Gawdzilla Sama Who are you talking to? Lol
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RE: Creator God Gets to Make the Rules
July 24, 2023 at 7:39 pm
The issue I always see is the one of existence. Is the deity empirically proven to exist? If so, then I guess under the same rule which applies to the monarchy, the deity can likewise govern as it wishes. Doesn't mean it is right, however, from our perspective.
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RE: Creator God Gets to Make the Rules
July 24, 2023 at 7:49 pm
(July 24, 2023 at 7:39 pm)Tomato Wrote: The issue I always see is the one of existence. Is the deity empirically proven to exist? If so, then I guess under the same rule which applies to the monarchy, the deity can likewise govern as it wishes. Doesn't mean it is right, however, from our perspective.
Well that's exactly it. Is it truly unfair if the thing existed and if he made the rules?
It's a justification I've heard a lot. Like the whole "might makes right" argument but pushed further. Like, we're not even owed an explanation or an emotion simply because he's the creator.
I'm trying to reason it out, trying to figure out what the flaw is. Because in my gut, it doesn't make sense. Yet as an artist, I can tear up my paintings, even if they were sentient. If your book characters were alive, you know? Do you have the right to claim ownership forever over them, even if they were talking back to you, pleading with you don't, to stop giving them tragic backstories and pushing enemies to lovers? Hit that backspace, shut them up forever.
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RE: Creator God Gets to Make the Rules
July 24, 2023 at 8:02 pm
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Yes, unfortunate as it is, it amounts to the kind of power it has. It if has the power to exert its control, punish those who disobey, then it can do what it wants. Still doesn't make it right from our perspective if what we're seeing and interpreting is gross injustice of humanity.
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RE: Creator God Gets to Make the Rules
July 24, 2023 at 8:04 pm
If there was no fear in this *divine* creator, there would be many fewer followers...it's the guilt and fear that keep them coming back for more of that forgiveness and love...think - abusive relationship.
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RE: Creator God Gets to Make the Rules
July 24, 2023 at 8:06 pm
I think it's a major hole in the pitch. Gods gonna do what a gods gonna do. Nothing I can do about that, so why should I care?
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RE: Creator God Gets to Make the Rules
July 24, 2023 at 9:52 pm
Why is the creator of all that there is considered a male? If there is a creator, it is far beyond what the tiny, puny, measly, insignificant, hooman brain can comprehend.
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RE: Creator God Gets to Make the Rules
July 24, 2023 at 10:16 pm
The answer IMHO is this: the authority of any creator is justified by the degree it participates in the nature of the ultimate Creator, one that is identitcal the the God of Classical theism.
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